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Kogan Loloklam

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Alright, so my Ex wife divorced me and is keeping me from my son in a pretty significant way. He's pretty emotionally damaged from what she has done so far, but at least I've had some success. However, I have a place where I have had none. He is being denied access to his Family.

Her dad spoke on my behalf, and so she carried through with a threat to never let him see my son.
Here's an E-mail exchange she had with him just recently:

Quote from: To Ex Wife
        Subject: -Son's name, Misspelled-
        From: -Ex Wife's Dad-
        To: -Ex Wife-
        CC:


        -Ex Wife's First Name-,
        I would like at some time to spend some time with -Son's name, Misspelled-.  Although, frankly I don't with to deal with you.  I would like to spend some time with him.
Quote from: From Ex Wife
    May 24, 2012 04:19:03 PM, -Ex Wife- wrote:

        Sorry, -Son's Name- and I come as a package deal. The same went for -Ex Wife's First Child whom is Deceased First name- and you did not seem to mind then.


        -Ex Wife's Name-
Quote from: To Ex Wife
    Subject: Re: Re: -Son's name, Misspelled-
    From: -Ex Wife's Dad-
    To: -Ex Wife-
    CC:


    -Ex Wife's First Name-,
    I find your behavior to be repugnant.  I have shared with you that I am not going to be held hostage by your whims to spend time with -Son's Name, Misspelled-.  I guess we need to go to court.
Quote from: From Ex Wife
May 27, 2012 03:32:06 PM, -Ex Wife- wrote:

    Dear -Ex Wife's Dad's First Name-,
    If you were willing to spend time with me as well as -Son's Name-, there would be no need to go to court.


    -Ex Wife's Name-
Quote from: To Ex Wife
Subject: Re: Re: Re: -Son's name, Misspelled-
From: -Ex Wife's Dad-
To: -Ex Wife-
CC:


-Ex Wife's First Name-,
You told me that if I did not support you that, "You would make sure that I would never see -Son's name Misspelled- again."  That you tried to coerce  or extort me, tells me a lot about how you think of me.  That you are carrying this out is even more egregious.  It is obvious you do not care for for me or my sensabilities for doing and saying such a thing.  What would you think of me if I caved in to your coercion?  What must you think of me for doing and saying such a thing?  I believe that this issue shows you for what you are and I desire none of it.  Therefore, Court may be the only answer.  Finally, I would point out that there were no problems with me having -Ex Wife's First Child whom is Deceased First name- for multiple times as much as a month at a time.
Quote from: From Ex Wife
From: -Ex Wife-
Date: May 30, 2012 03:03:35 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: -Son's name, Misspelled-
To: -Ex Wife's Dad-, -Ex Wife Lawyer 1-, -Ex Wife Lawyer 2-, -Ex Wife's Australian Boyfriend-
Cc: -Ex Wife-

Dear -Ex Wife's Dad's First Name-,
I am not interested in anything that you have to say regaurding visiting -Son's Name, Spelled right- (-reinforcing proper spelling-). It is very typical of you to get your facts incorrect. I said, "You can either have an ex son-in-law or you can have your daughter and grandson." You made your choice, now live with it!
Sincerely,


-Ex Wife's Name-

Any thoughts on how to protect his Family access? I live in Colorado.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2012, 06:40:57 pm »

I think we have some actual lawyers on here (Truean, I think) but other than that see if you can get a free consultation with a local lawyer.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2012, 07:01:58 pm »

That's... difficult. You'll have to check with an actual (local) lawyer, but I'm not sure if grandparents or other non-immediate family actually have any particular rights in that regard.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2012, 12:33:13 am »

That's... difficult. You'll have to check with an actual (local) lawyer, but I'm not sure if grandparents or other non-immediate family actually have any particular rights in that regard.
Colorado grandparents can petition parental rights to grandchildren if they been under there care for six weeks, they can also petition to keep their visitation rights after a divorce under the Childrens Code.

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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2012, 12:44:41 am »

These problems are solved with lawyers.  Tell him to stop all communication with her at this point and lawyer up.

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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2012, 06:28:41 am »

Until it's solved in court, I guess he could see him when he's with you. You did get *some* time with him allotted by the court when you divorced, right?
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2012, 11:21:36 am »

Get thee to a lawyer licensed in your jurisdiction.

Maybe this will help?

Seriously, this shit can turn ugly, fast. No, this is not ugly, not yet, and not by comparison to how bad I've seen it. Custody and Shared Parenting Issues sounds about right. Family Law, is another term. Also wouldn't hurt to have "modification of spousal support" in the description even though that might not be on the table.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2012, 03:17:05 pm »

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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2012, 06:22:39 pm »

I'll keep this simple. Family law is so heavily biased towards women it isn't even funny. Looking at some of the stories of men and some of the statistics out there it makes me want to cry. You are one of many men that have to deal with this and I really wish you the best.

My advice? You hold so little power that you need to climb Mt. Everest to even get weekend rights. And even then it would be expensive as hell. Your ex-wife will brainwash your son into hating you and when that happens I very much doubt a functioning relationship can develop.

If you are willing and don't care about cost, fight until you are bled dry. Fight for your son and don't let the court system dictate any time that you should be able to spend with your son. Be assertive, yet respectful. Don't get pushed around. Call your son. Send him letters. He may not even get them all, but at least try.

I have seen things like this happen far too much in my lifetime. If I could do it all over again, I would be have been a family court lawyer doing all I could to defend Men's rights to see their children and spend quality time with them.

This following quote is an experience somewhat similar to yours

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A life not worth living

It has been seven years since my wife move 500 miles away with my almost three year old son one day when I was at work; and my 500 mile trips to try to reconcile our family eventually proved futile.

Our marriage lasted almost ten years. We waited seven years to have our first child. Our son was completely planned and welcomed. I was a doting and loving father and I spent every day and weekend with my son.

After the divorce, the courts allowed me to see my son two weekends per month from 10:00 AM to 6:00 PM. I was allowed one phone call per week. The courts allowed his mother to keep him 500 miles away; I had to travel 500 miles to see him. I was ordered to pay his mother $1500 per month. No consideration was taken for my travel expenses.

Most importantly, no consideration was given for my son’s rights to have his father in his life the same amount of time as before. Not three weekends per month, but every day and night and weekend. I was a very affectionate, loving and responsible father and absolutely doted over my son. I was stripped of my fathership and made a visitor in his life.

Within four months my son behaved like a stranger to me. Within six months he was actively hostile towards me. After traveling 500 miles to see him, his mother would not show up with him. His mother was alienating him from me. Within seven months I lost my job. After being a victim of a terrible wife and a corrupt court system, I realized the situation was hopeless; I walked away.

Even though she destroyed 70 percent of the relationship between my son and I, I am the one being blamed for abandonment.

I thought I could begin a new life; but seven years later the pain remains. My pain over missing my son; the pain over how my son must feel; the pain over the disadvantages that my son has. Pain over a career that has been trashed. Pain over huge child support debts that can never be repaid. Pain over a life where I will never be able to have any sort of financial security or retirement. Pain over the fact that I will never know my grandchildren. Pain over excruciating loneliness.

The worst times are weekends and holidays. Weekends and holidays were mine and my son’s best times together. When I see fathers with sons I feel an overwhelming sadness: a sadness of what has been lost; what is not; and what could have been.

Also I am permanently changed. No amount of therapy, psychotropic drugs, or a new woman and child can remove the hollowness inside me. I notice the effect when I am around people. I used to be happy and fulfilled; now I am empty and depressed, and people notice it and they don’t want to be around me. It is impossible for me to smile and I get no pleasure from anything; not even eating. I have no present and no future.

Am I a loser? I was an example of someone who raised themselves from nothing to something though hard work. I put myself through college; earned a scholarship, and worked many crappy jobs before I finally landed a good one. Through thrift, I managed to save a tidy nest egg. I never had any problems with the law. But because my wife became unhappily married, I am made to be a criminal, even though I tried to keep the marriage together.

Now I don’t have a car, I don’t have a drivers license, I don’t have a girl friend, and I live in a small and shitty room. I earn a fifth of what I earned before. I have a very difficult time holding a job because of depression.

I am a Christian; so I am afraid of committing suicide. Nevertheless, I often research suicide to see if there is some justification for it; some way to do it, without going to hell. I want out of my life; I would not want to wish my life on my worst enemy. It is a life that is not worth living.

I pray every day for some guidance and purpose of what I am supposed to do; I don’t get any answers.

Where did I go wrong? Was it the wrong choice of a woman? My wife was very religious and a virgin when we met. She never smoked a cigarette or drank alcohol in her life. She was the most family-oriented person I had ever met. I would never have thought she would have chosen divorce. And if she chose divorce, I would have thought she would have wanted a father in her son’s life. But she changed. Why did she change? I don’t know, but I think because of cultural influences.

Why do I write this? For pity? No. I write this to give young men an idea of what they are facing when they father children in the USA or any other country that imitates the USA court system. When the divorce happens, and it is more likely to happen then not, you will be destroyed emotionally and financially. Your children will suffer. The more responsible, the more loving, the more family-oriented you are, the more you will be destroyed.

Marriage and family is sacred and the greatest gift a man can have. Unfortunately, in the USA, marriage and family have been perverted beyond repair.

For young men, the worst thing you could do is to have children in the USA. For parents of boys, the worst thing you could do is to pressure your sons into having children in the USA. Don’t think it cannot happen to you or your sons.

Is there a solution? Yes. Emigration. Make your money in the states and emigrate out when you are financially able. Then marry and have children in a family-friendly nation and a nation with fairer divorce laws. This is a solution that won’t completely remove the risk of divorce; but will reduce it.

As a man in the USA you have nothing to look forward to. Only the ignorant or the masochistic would think of fathering children there. In the USA fathers are like tightrope walkers without netting. Don’t do it.
You have been warned by someone wandering in hell who lives a life not worth living.

Information and statistics:

States get matching funds from the federal government for every support order they issue; therefore there is an built-in economic incentive against family reconciliation and against shared custody and an economic incentive for sole physical custody.

Presumption of guilt is on the man. If the woman makes any type of emotional or physical abuse claim, the man will be removed from his home and children.

Nine out of ten times the children are given to the woman, no matter how good the man is.

If you fall behind in child support $2500, your passport is denied.

If you fall behind in child support $2500, you drivers license is revoked.

If you are behind and miss payments, you can go to jail for contempt of court.

If you have a history of falling behind on payments, you can be placed in prison.

Because you are in jail does not mean child support payments stop; on the contrary, child support payments continue and arrears continue to build.

In many states, interest is added to arrears at the rate of 10 percent per year.

If you lose your job and get a lesser paying job, the child support agencies will do their best to try to keep the payments the same.

Employers frown on wage garnishment; it is more work for them and they are less likely to hire a divorced man and more likely to exploit one because they know he is desperate.

As your children are stripped away from you and the relationship severed, you will be accused of abandoning your children.

If you have arrears, a child support lien will be placed on your credit report which comes up on background checks rendering you much less employable.

Any type of depression or despondency is used against the man to further remove him from his children, causing yet more depression and despondency.

Non-custodial parents (men) are around three times as likely to commit suicide then the rest of the population.

Men are not entitled to a lawyer in a failure to pay child support court hearing.

50,000 men are in jail or prison every day for child support arrears.

Ever wonder why there are so many homeless men? Do your own street interviews. Ask random homeless men if they ever went through a divorce or the child support system.

A man with children in the USA is like a tightrope walker without netting: the risk-reward profile is life or death.

I don't agree with some of it (like the bit about not having kids in the USA, that's just plain bitterness), but it paints a pretty decent picture of the family law landscape.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2012, 06:37:14 pm »

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Family law is so heavily biased towards women it isn't even funny. Looking at some of the stories of men and some of the statistics out there it makes me want to cry

Its a shame. Some of it is because biases towards women are still around (for example most people believe that the mother is the most important caregiver of the two and the most deserving of children) but others is because of hold overs from back when a woman working was looked down upon.

The sheer number of things a woman can do to mess you over because she is a woman and your not is immense.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2012, 12:06:35 pm »

Join Men's Rights Movement, or at least hear what they have to say. They are fighting for men like you, so that they won't be destroyed emotionally and financially after divorce.

On youtube I reccomend seeing Girl writes what videos. There is something wrong with this generetion when me and all of my (also) 18 year old friends don't want to get married and have children, ever.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #11 on: June 28, 2012, 01:50:37 pm »

Having a female voice to defend MRA's is neat since it at least gives more credibility when it comes to female perception. However, if I understand her background correctly, she herself is once divorced with kids and maintained primary custody (granted I don't know her personal history if it involved physical abuse or whatnot). So don't get me wrong, but I feel it's quite hypocritical of her to defend the rights of men in family court when she in fact used the current system to her advantage. Frivolous divorce wouldn't exist if men didn't have to pay child support 94% of the time and didn't lose custody about 85% of the time. The message from her is good, but loses itself when she is "do as I say, not as I do." And she also has a boyfriend who gets to play pseudo-daddy with her kids. Give me a break.

There are so many great vlogs and blogs about this issue. I can recommend http://www.the-spearhead.com/ and http://www.youtube.com/user/barbarossaaaa (colorful language here and a lot of points you can disagree on, but again, still very informative)

Personally, I'm indifferent towards marriage and kids but we'll see when I get older. All I can recommend is to protect yourself as best you can. I'm trying to slowly teach my girlfriend of two years about this stuff, so we'll see what happens in that regard haha.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #12 on: June 28, 2012, 08:56:53 pm »

Oh, so a fellow barbarossaaaa subscriber? Yeah, i din't mention him for that specific reason that he has strong language.
Never heard of the spearhead thou. I'll check it out.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2012, 05:34:34 pm »

I know that my uncle (Well, two of them, but I only really know about what happened with one in detail) had a problem with custody and things. He pretty much had to keep on trying and my cousins (his sons) were always returning from their mothers' being upset and generally not as energetic and happy as they would be normally, and he managed to get some stuff in motion and he was decided a more suitable parent. So it's not entirely hopeless.
This is the UK though, but I think laws over here are pretty similar with regards to childcare.
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Re: Vindicitive ex wife denying access to my son to her dad, any ideas?
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2012, 03:56:32 pm »

I indeed never plan on getting married. Rights for men regarding marriage and divorce are practically non-existent.

None of my female friends ever seem to understand why I view marriage in such a bad light.

I get the feeling in my gut that divorce custody is America trying to say that it favors women and is indeed not sexist, while it mostly fails at this everywhere else. Seriously, ever watch cleaning commercials? Most sexist shit on the airwaves.

The target women series does a pretty good job of explaining the commercials.
Here's one.
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