Demdemeh:
Obviously, there's still some suspicion on the other side, since Gday is voting me, now, and I think that that's a bit of an OMGUS at this point (as you so lovingly accused me of, GDay)
My understanding of OMGUSing is that it is voting someone in an attempt to get them off your back; and implies that you don't see any pressure or attempt to hunt behind the vote. If you truly believed that this was the case in my read on you probably should not revert to mentioning it to others and press me on it.
I was referring to your claim that I was OMGUSing, not claiming that you were.
I think you're accusing me of chainsawing you to protect Shinigami; which is complete rubbish and you know it. My reason for pressing you was based on your presentation of your case and the assumptions you made in making your case against Shinigami and pressing griffinpup.
It would seem that I was saying that, yes. I think it's probably fairer to state that you were following up on griffinpup's points, which I think I answered rather well.
First of why did you decide to misinterpret my pressure on you as chainsawing?
Secondly; why the bolded comment? The fact that I pressed you on your answers to griffinpup's posts should tell you exactly how well I think you answered them.
Your statements seemed to me to be defensive of Shinigami.
Let me ask again then: why did you copy griffinpup's questions press Shinigami when your own case was only "why did you defend Lenglon when you claimed he was scummy?"[Link].
Your case btw makes no sense if you paid attention to the chronology of Shinigami's defense of Lenglon, and then calling him scummy. It sounds like you're being opportunistic and looking for places where you can manipulate people's statements and reads to paint them scummy wherever possible.
Shinigami's defense of Lenglon happened pretty early in the game, while I was still adjusting to the basics of this game. If you'd pay attention to the chronology of my own posts, you'd notice that.
My point about the chronology that you completely missed is that Shinigami's opinion of Lenglon changed between when he was defending her and when he was calling her scummy. Additionally the shift was from white knight to scummy, not the reverse. You're taking advantage of this fact in your pressure on Shinigami by ignoring his obvious shifts in opinion and instead claiming that he always held Lenglon to be scum.
I was pointing out that the only reads he had given out at the time were to label Lenglon and me both as scum. I think it's no coincidence that we are the two that he has been the most defensive of, as well.
In addition, there's little difference between "being opportunistic and looking for places where you can manipulate people's statements and reads to paint them scummy" and "feeling suspicious and discussing the parts of someone's statements that make you feel suspicious in order to put pressure on someone" as far as I can tell. Can you explain to me exactly what that difference is, and how what you're doing with my own statements isn't the same thing?
Your statements make no sense to me so I am forced to interpret them. I have attempted to be crystal clear on precisely what I am interpreting what way, to give you a chance to correct me. What I'm accusing you of, as previously mentioned, is ignoring a large body of Shinigami's work and attempting to use two isolated posts of his as if they were simultaneous.
This is the first time that that point has been made clearly. Much of the rest of it has been a quote from me, immediately followed by a twisted paraphrasing of the words used.
I think griffionpup made it clear here that he wasn't attacking you over the actual act of voting shinigami and just over the fact that you hadn't provided reasons. What made you so sure that your act of attacking Shinigami was the issue at hand?
I'm pretty sure that I addressed this, already, too. What is your problem, Gday? Digging up buried hatchets to make old cases new again is not a charming trait. I'm not impressed, and I don't think anyone else is, either. The aggressiveness of his statements, paired with his own attack with Shinigami, made me feel that it was a bizarre juxtaposition.
You failed to answer my question which was about the assumption you made about what griffinpup was pressing you on.
I did NOT ask you why you considered it odd.
Did I not answer the question? I think you just don't like my answer. My assumption at the time was that he was attacking me because I was attacking Shinigami. I thought I had made my reasons clear, but I am still getting the hang of spelling out my thoughts in writing.
And you make no sense to me. That's the beauty of not seeing into each others' heads. There's a bit too much attempt at interpretation on your side, however... try to read the sentence as it's written, first. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.
I do actually. And then in the 90% of cases where that doesn't work, I attempt to interpret most likely meaning. Hence why I press you on something more than once and "dig up old hatchets": I need to be absolutely sure of what you are trying to say.
Could you let me know what you think I'm trying to say up to this point, then, please?
Honestly the day end was three days away (one and a half if you don't count weekends); and so I wasn't really paying attention to where you were in the charts. Hammers are not in effect so it doesn't really matter, I will press scum where I see them.
Likewise.
Why the comment that you were at the top of the charts in pressure then?[Link]
Because of my prior statement of the possibility of you being in league with Cado. He's top scumpick right now for a lot of people, and if you're his buddy, diverting onto me helps you out a lot. Similarly, since I seem to be a perennial favorite target, piling suspicion on me and trying to lead a little bandwagon seems easier than choosing, say, Vector as a target.
I am not pressuring Cado. I'm pressuring you, and I've made my position clear: RC is untrustworthy.
This might just be you not playing the way I tend to, but why would you FoS him if you weren't pressuring him? Attempting to look town?
I'm not sure if he's scum or just ridiculous, claiming Cop on day one. I do think that you emerged from the shadows as pretty scummy immediately after his claim, though; especially with your typo.
Why did you only use this to defend your case on Shinigami rather than say; pressing him about it?
Once again, I was at a point of acclimatization at that point, and learning how to scumhunt. I was not itemizing the things I should attack people on and viciously pressing my case, as I obviously should be doing, according to some philosophies. This has already been addressed.
Fair. Why did you include it in the points that you were "trying, but failing to make"? Do you count bringing up something new on someone to protect yourself from accusations that you're just leaving your vote on someone without putting thought into it as trying to make a point?
Actually, yes. If I forgot to mention it up front, I think that bringing it up at any further time, as long as it exists in history, makes sense. Forgetfulness is not scumminess.
Specifically what I'm seeing here is that you are claiming that my sentence was a deliberate statement of intent, rather than what it was; a typo. You know this is bullshit, as you say in your post to griffinpup. So why are you claiming that? Are you trying to whip together a bandwagon?
Have you heard of a Freudian slip? You accidentally say something that you're thinking instead of what you should say. In this case, town instead of scum. Something can be a typo AND an admission of guilt under those conditions. All you have to do is think about your secret scum power roles, and realize how little you want them to be exposed, and BLAM... typing too fast will lead to your inserting "town" when you're thinking of your opponents. That's why I'm claiming that.
I'm aware of what Freudian slips are. And if anyone made a typo that could be the result of them being scum and typing to fast to correct their language to town I would be jumping down their throats about it and forcing them to explain in excruciating detail precisely what was going through their minds.
That's not what I was commenting on. What I was commenting on the fact was that you WEREN'T doing this to me, rather that you were saying "oh; look at this slip that Griffy made, doesn't it make him obviously scum to you?" in an attempt to get people who were previously pressuring you, to switch their votes to me; which seems desperate and scummy. I mention that you know that it is bullshit as you NEVER pressed me on as I expect town would; instead you just "mention it obliquely at least once." In other words, you "know" without having to read. Ergo scum.
You want pressure? All right.
What good reason would someone have to make THAT typo? What WERE you thinking, besides "What the hell, dude?!" when Cado roleclaimed? Why did you pick that moment to jump all over me? Because I still maintain that it looks an awful lot like your buddy is doomed, and you're trying to divert pressure, just as you accused me of diverting from myself to Shinigami. You haven't said an awful lot to Cado, actually, since he claimed. Everyone else has had a lot more to say, and you even commented on MY opinion; why did you think it was my purpose to apply pressure to him when all I said was that I didn't know if he was trustworthy?
I'm tired of waiting, too.
Shorten.
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