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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #450 on: September 04, 2013, 02:53:39 pm »

VOTE COUNT

Webadict
Leafsnail - zombieurist
Tiruin
Lenglon
TheWetSheep
zombieurist - Leafsnail
Jim Groovestar
Toaster

Not voting: Webadict, Tiruin, TheWetSheep, Toaster, Lenglon, Jim Groovester

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« Last Edit: September 04, 2013, 03:16:43 pm by Vector »
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #451 on: September 04, 2013, 03:13:14 pm »

I'm curious as to why you agreed with this idea yet didn't claim yourself.  I'll be willing to claim once you resolve that.

Claim what more than I already have?

Leafsnail - zombieurist, JimGroovester

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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #452 on: September 04, 2013, 03:16:52 pm »

Fixed, thank you.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #453 on: September 04, 2013, 04:34:50 pm »

Sorry, I haven't forgotten about this, but school just started, so I'm less available these days. I don't have a whole lot of time, so I'll probably miss some stuff.

Jim-related Claim:

Jim appeared to me as my mother, but far older and more wrinkly. This is why I asked how old Jim's character was.

Toaster:
1. There was (probably) no mafia-kill night 1. It's almost certain that Soli killed Griffionday, since he had a kill and Griff was his suspect.

What makes you think that the mafia didn't also target him?
There's not a high probability that a vig and mafia would target the same person. Especially since Griff was one of the biggest lynch targets.

Jim: If you knew how you appeared to me in my dream, why did you ask why my question about your age was relevant? Seems like a logical connection to make.

Webadict: After Jim's confirmation, you've really done nothing. You have no leads and aren't even bothering to try to find new ones. Why? (I know you're busy now, but I'm talking about early D2 where you posted, but nothing to do with scumhunting.)

Vector: If town were caught in an unwinnable situation, would the game be over immediately?

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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #454 on: September 04, 2013, 04:38:55 pm »

Vector: If town were caught in an unwinnable situation, would the game be over immediately?

Yes.  I dislike wasting people's time.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #455 on: September 04, 2013, 04:49:11 pm »

Webadict: After Jim's confirmation, you've really done nothing. You have no leads and aren't even bothering to try to find new ones. Why? (I know you're busy now, but I'm talking about early D2 where you posted, but nothing to do with scumhunting.)
My lead was Jim, but he's town, and so I lost that one. I'd be going after Leafsnail, but I'm not really able to at the moment, plus the defense I've seen so far is fairly solid, and I can't argue with it.

I'm not sure where you're getting this Day 2 as it was a continuation of Day 1, but if you link something concrete, I'd be able to better access it.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #456 on: September 04, 2013, 07:08:51 pm »

Web:
Wuba:  What's your view on the proposed flavorclaim?
I don't see the point behind it, and it sort of reveals my role, which I'd really rather not.

Fair enough.


Jim:
I'm curious as to why you agreed with this idea yet didn't claim yourself.  I'll be willing to claim once you resolve that.

Claim what more than I already have?

Point.  However, I did mean your flavor as opposed to your role.


Sheep:  I don't like statistics in my Mafia.  But fair enough if you think that way.



Extend.   More to dig up here.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #457 on: September 04, 2013, 08:02:13 pm »

First off, Extend.


The dead:
Webadict the White Swan - Killed, cooked, and partially eaten Day One
Griffionday the Hopeful Prince - Eviscerated and throat cut Night One
Ottofar the Black Swan - Ritualistically sacrificed Day Two
Solifuge, AKA Lovelace - Eviscerated and offered to the Goddess Day Two
notquitethere the Gardener-Sage - Defenestrated and sliced to ribbons Night Two


The Living:

Okami no Rei => Webadict -...I'm not even sure at all on Webadict. He's replacing in Okami, yet what I've gleaned from his posts is as if he's playing as himself. Slight to no deviation from how he played before. Requires re-read. Null.

Leafsnail - Seems fairly..aggressive in a way, but it doesn't jive well how his statements are placed. It may be me, or it may be my viewpoint on his playstyle which sees his wording as always strange--that he's always hiding something, but pretty much backs it up with the usual fanfare of questions. Null.

Tiruin - "Is me. I pledge my life to the Prince and whoever stands by his side." [Me saying I'm town and stuff]

Lenglon - ...I must reread more on this. Null-town. Town-ish judging by how I'm seeing her early posts--they're pointed, and they're also blunt, but none seem to deviate into the sense of scuminess or malevolent intent.

Griffinpup => TheWetSheep - Null. Griffinpup's queries D1 don't necessarily speak much to me of initiating a conversation insomuch that it speaks to me as 'I want to get to know you better, and how's the weather?' Though that is just me stating such due to the utter lack of posts from him (RL stuffs :() and how I read his statements from thereon.
TWS however..only has 4 posts. Is nully-null null. :I

RangerCado => zombieurist - ZU's brevity speaks leagues. Leagues of which I'm pretty much hard traversing. I'm withholding my read on him as I'm catching onto his posts (I love his lurkertracker though) and finding..something pretty suspicious. Whereever that leans, is based on his response.

Jim Groovestar - That dream-claim is pretty suspicious--sure, out of a meta-tell I'd be saying he's town because it would be really really weird seeing a role which can (PM-others-at-night-flavor-type) a single message (yeah..like saying who you are is explicitly an ability :I) be on a scum-role, but given how the game is being played, I'm staying curious about him. Null-town.

Toaster - Null, still re-reading on him. Please don't take the lack of my words on his posts at the moment, but it's a personal thing with no relation to this game and stuff. No I mean nothing bad against Toaster personally but it's personal stuff <_<

> When i say null, I mean that queries are being done to further the leads. That, and no exacts can be drawn other than the usual 'I go along town/scum tell-types and shift my suspicion bar as I do so'.
> Jim's name is...totally different. As in from forever. He's a -ster, not a -star. What gives, Jim? [Most of me is screaming in-joke context but..well, asking can't hurt]
> Solifuge is the only one with an alias/other name so far and without a title--while I'd wonder on if the Goddess is truly town-aligned, seeing his flavor and intent, I'd lean on being at worst, benevolent third-party and at best, town anti-threat-Prince. I have noted the queries on this Goddess later on.
> The recent flavor still worries me. Talk about death, and other harsh stuff. We're EIGHT people left, and if there's a mislynch and succeeding NK we're down to LYLO. HOWEVER, the best guess on scum #s is derived from flavor, and my intuition is screaming to me of a malevolent third-party still alive..But that's mostly me either reacting to the flavor or me checking the list of third-parties.
> About my suspects: Listed in blue--I do have a suspect however, but I'm not claiming out loud who he is as I'm running on the psychological factor of unstated safety here--query and build-up first before giving conclusions, no matter how near a conclusion it may seem.


Toast!
Tiruin:
I'm really betting Jim appeared as what we see ourselves to be, somehow, or what we desire. He appeared as a swordsman-royalty-ish person in mine.

SwordsMAN?

Tiruin:
But really, I'm falling on the 'this may be a great red herring' if it's that significant--I...didn't sense anything out of the ordinary but my dream. Oh, and before anyone claims the alignment blah blah, I doubt it given my alignment. No, not a third-party.

Suspiciously Specific Denial.
Well it would be weird being a third party and saying "I am Jim Groovester, who stands with the Prince" rather than alongside or whatever. It would be weirder then, to see a third-party claim town when we've no idea on what he is, so I fall back on the two other logical conclusions there--town or scum.

Before I go any farther with this, is your bolded statement talking about yourself or Jim?
@First statement: Swordsman, yes. The word is still categorized under gender-neutral in my mind so I found no reason to not say swordsman...But I haven't seen any texts within any of my history (yes yes, don't remind me of the prevalence of gender-type roles) so I went with the closest term I could to refer to it there.

...What did you see wrong with that? (Unless your reason is 'You're male?!' which I answer 'No, I'm not'.) Or in..male roles pretending to be female? I did state in my flavor inspection that the gathering is...mixed, to say bluntly.

@Second: I fail in English, don't I? :/

It was stated to Jim.

...I don't see how it was worded referring to me. Where did I go wrong in semantics?


TWS/Griffinpup
Vector: If town were caught in an unwinnable situation, would the game be over immediately?
Strange of you to ask this when the town wincondition is 'when all threats to the Prince are gone'. While I'm unsure if this matches with scum overpowering town in the base mafia mechanics, this strikes me pretty...strange.

What made you think of that blatant question TWS? What caused you to ask such?

Afterwards, could I ask of you your reads-along with how you view Jim, Leafsnail and Webadict?



Leafsnail: What's your case on ZU? I see subtle emotional tells given your stance on him despite your crux being
[passivity]
But it's strange that you don't like them (however lacking they are, context is needed to justify that. I mean, I've been 'passive' all this time and it's been related to RL stuff; he misses questions, yeah, but its only been recently that he's been doing such [Yon two posts]) though I'd like your explanation on why his passivity is different.

Also I detect a hint of unneeded aggression in your latest posts. Why is that?

...And I'm unsure who This is directed to. Context on it please?


Zombie Urist: Tell me, if you know anything about the Goddess or any related Divinities, are they town-aligned or are aligned with the protection of the Prince? If so, do you have any information which could warn of impending doom (or anything as serious as that)?

Next, what is your opinion on why the Goddess hasn't claimed yet--I'm pretty much seeing her as town-aligned, and that she's a great power of balance in this game; that there is the usual opposite which still lives (wants to kill x, y, or Prince blah blah that sort of thing) that prevents her from claiming outright.

Lastly, seemingly irrelevant but your predecessor asked me quite an interesting set o' questions. How does this set of questions and my answers help you?
I'm asking this because I forgot to ask Ms. Cado of his queries, seeing that it may have been a question-response to my query to him, but am now asking because...my intuition picks up something on you. Something big.

Something...Urist-y.

Lastlylastly: WHy aren't you responding towards LS' accusation towards you? The brevity in your posts as of late doesn't speak well of your playstyle--it's like you're being pressured and/or busy-busy.

"Why is the sky so large that the whole world can fit inside it? By that, I mean: 'What's going on over there, you seem to be under some kind of burden or weight that you aren't talking much on it and... failing to address importance.'"

Maybe its time for flavorclaim? You were a math goddess in my dream. My char is based on a female mathematician.
*cough* Like I said. Hmm-dee-dum.

I'll shoot a hypothetical round at you. *thwiw~*

Why're you asking for a flavorclaim from the general audience and not Jim, instead? Is there any difference if we did such?

And i-it's not like I'm hurt or-or anything..but you also didn't answer my question too. *sniff*

Tiruin looks at you with a dagger-gaze before folding up her fan and crossing her arms.



Jim:
Hey, Jim. Your power. I'm wondering why it says stuff about my flavortext in it. Like, it relates back to it in a minor way, and it's been bugging me. Is that coincidence?
Probably not. Supposedly I appeared to everyone in a dream in a form they would be comfortable with. I do know the forms I appeared as (since Vector handily provided them), but not the player the form was tailored to.

If there's any flavor relevance beyond that, it's not something I know about.
Very interesting. Why aren't you claiming what forms you appeared as given the fact that it'll help the town--at least in showing what everyone is interested in to fix part of what we're finding? That's something I find very weird given that you got a large chunk of information claimed here. That, and you'd know the different role-types left after some deriving.

...And why didn't you answer my question >_> Ok, it was worded badly, but it was technically a question.
here, reiterated in this post: How do I know you're telling the truth?



Webadict: Why is Jim bugging you in that way? You're Okami No Rei! [See Jim's set of statements above]

Wuba:  What's your view on the proposed flavorclaim?
I don't see the point behind it, and it sort of reveals my role, which I'd really rather not.
And why not? Is it a restriction-based thing, or that you fear some sort misinterpretation would happen?

Why the flavor-consciousness here? Here, my supposed query to you is answered, however another one arises from that though I mostly agree with what you say.

How do you know he is town? What makes you think that your dreams speak the truth (What I'm asking here is how do you find his action--did it influence you perfectly to say he's town, or is there a meta-role reason? On that note, is it purely on the latter or is there something else?)

...And on a personal note, I'm sensing a change in playstyle D3. Like you're dipping into brevity more and more. Something up?


Everyone: Views on why dress color is...so important here. I may be bringing up an old can of whatever metaphor it was about bringing up something old, but I'm curious.


I'm asking because Ottofar asked it and I'm going off any kind of lead I have. With every kind of lead I have also pertaining to 'Omg this is my first game where I think flavor matters and is a subtle clue.'

..And that Vector's a damn good writer that it's hard piecing together what kind of puzzle exists, but that it exists in the first place really irks me that I can't see it.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #458 on: September 04, 2013, 08:15:35 pm »

It wouldn't hurt.
Looking at your list of vague flavourcops, would you say any of them are at all incriminating?

Leafsnail: What's your case on ZU? I see subtle emotional tells given your stance on him despite your crux being
[passivity]
He's doing literally nothing.  Not stating any real suspicions, not making any real attempt at scumhunting.  Just asking some irrelevant questions and pretending to contribute.

But it's strange that you don't like them (however lacking they are, context is needed to justify that. I mean, I've been 'passive' all this time and it's been related to RL stuff; he misses questions, yeah, but its only been recently that he's been doing such [Yon two posts]) though I'd like your explanation on why his passivity is different.
I don't think your play this game is remotely comparable to ZU's, although now that I think about it yes, you are being pretty passive.  Why are you making a deflection defence on ZU's behalf?  Why did you also not give an opinion on his alignment?

Also I detect a hint of unneeded aggression in your latest posts. Why is that?
Because Lenglon asked me essentially the same question three times and Jim voted me for making a case on someone

...And I'm unsure who This is directed to. Context on it please?
It's directed to Lenglon.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #459 on: September 04, 2013, 08:16:09 pm »

Tiruin:  I didn't see anything wrong (as in scummy) with swordsMAN- it just stuck out.  Did you actually get a gender read from your flavor?

@Second: I fail in English, don't I? :/

It was stated to Jim.

...I don't see how it was worded referring to me. Where did I go wrong in semantics?

Okay, I'll believe you, since your confused response seems genuine.  Read just what I quoted, especially the sentence before the bolded bit- the last two words out of your mouth (keyboard) were "my alignment."

I need to read the rest more in detail, but I wanted to throw that out there.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #460 on: September 04, 2013, 08:23:15 pm »

Ugh. The biggest reason I think its LS is because he was actively shutting down discussion.
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=128261.msg4543247#msg4543247

I'm a mathematician too and the first few lines of my role PM are the exact same as that of Solifuge's. You followed your goddess, all seeing-wonder, etc.

You know, I never thought the goddess was an actual player in this game until I just reread my role PM. Whoops. I don't know what would happen if she died, but its bad.

I don't care about LS' accusation because I'm being defeatist and lazy.

Jim said he can verify some of the flavor claims which is why I'm asking in general.

I asked web that question because he hasn't done much this day.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #461 on: September 04, 2013, 09:22:22 pm »

"Then they began to organize themselves."

"How so?" asked Vektor.  "This can't possibly be relevant."

The Prince rubs his hands over his face, sighing.

"They said something about a Goddess of Order who had arrived in the gathering.  They said she spoke to them in dreams, brought a priestess with her, and I had to ask myself--was it I who gathered the brides together?  Or was it she?  And for what purpose would she send me thirteen, when she could send me one?

"They fussed over who had said they would wear white and who would not, but after the second evening all who could wore black.  Those who could not change the entirety of their dress did their best--one only had Horatio tie a black ribbon about her neck.  We understood each other, our mutual fears, and marked ourselves with mourning clothes as I always had--if only with the suspicion that more would die, and we could no longer bear to see the red against the white.

"In any case," he said, "It took some time."




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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #462 on: September 04, 2013, 09:24:15 pm »

Extend.
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #463 on: September 04, 2013, 09:34:59 pm »

Day Three extended to Monday, 12:00 noon (-8GMT).  Five requests required for an extension to Wednesday, 12:00 noon (-8GMT).
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Re: The Lonely Prince, Day Three: Age Before Beauty
« Reply #464 on: September 04, 2013, 09:39:05 pm »

Webadict: Why is Jim bugging you in that way? You're Okami No Rei! [See Jim's set of statements above]

Wuba:  What's your view on the proposed flavorclaim?
I don't see the point behind it, and it sort of reveals my role, which I'd really rather not.
And why not? Is it a restriction-based thing, or that you fear some sort misinterpretation would happen?

Why the flavor-consciousness here? Here, my supposed query to you is answered, however another one arises from that though I mostly agree with what you say.

How do you know he is town? What makes you think that your dreams speak the truth (What I'm asking here is how do you find his action--did it influence you perfectly to say he's town, or is there a meta-role reason? On that note, is it purely on the latter or is there something else?)

...And on a personal note, I'm sensing a change in playstyle D3. Like you're dipping into brevity more and more. Something up?
Because as much as I enjoy lies, it'd be pretty extremely bastard-like to do that. Plus, there's more to it, which I'm sure Jim knows about, but I'd rather not say.

And yes, I'm doing job stuff. Which I might finally have now! Yay!
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