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Author Topic: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery  (Read 3553 times)

Crinkles

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Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« on: September 08, 2013, 09:12:45 am »

I'd like to see more kinds of art, much like the current slabs we have--which I hope will eventually be able to be carved with things other than a memorial. These items would serve no particular purpose other than allowing the expression of art, but some could be placed to produce good thoughts, like slabs or statues. Their use could be culture-dependent; e.g. not allowing elves to make paintings. Mosaics and paintings should probably get their own skill, embroidery can use "clothier".

Mosaics: An image made from blocks of metal, glass and stone or gems. It is always constructed on a floor of wall and acts like an engraving, allowing you to decorate constructed walls and floors. Each mosaic can incorporate multiple (three? four?) materials, but the item types can't be mixed. (To prevent aesthetic choices that are too terrible.)
Embroidery: A craft made from cloth, which can then be decorated with dyed thread. Like any cloth image decorating an item, but for its own sake. Can contain writing or imagery.
Painting: A wood crafter can create a panel. A clothier can process a panel with cloth to make a canvas. Painters can make images on panels and canvases with dye, being able to incorporate multiple dyes. Placeable as furniture. (Not sure how you could make one hang on a wall.)

No more will our fortresses have to make tools, food or other useful things! We can build a true Bohemian fortress that subsists on the profit from selling embroideries of dwarven proverbs and paintings of the Attempted Theft of Knotsmelters in the Summer of 869.
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Apani

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2013, 10:22:02 am »

Then all starve to death when the economic crisis strikes and people can't afford your precious crafts anymore.
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Crinkles

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 11:24:51 am »

Then all starve to death when the economic crisis strikes and people can't afford your precious crafts anymore.
The best minds die for their art. :p I just had another idea, though I don't know if it would fit the setting: woodblock printing. Paper is made from certain plants, and at a printer's workshop, wood blocks are carved bearing a particular image. The printer can produce the same images over and over again on the paper. (With manual printing, like ukiyo-e, not a printing press.)
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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2013, 06:15:11 am »

I'd like to see some mechanics allowing reproduction of artwork, therefore I find your woodblock-printing idea pretty good. All in all I would like to see more kinds of artworks in the fortress.
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callisto8413

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2013, 09:18:08 pm »

I like this idea for many reasons.  Besides making your Dwarfs happy -

1.  Nobles could demand such items for their apartments.
2.  I want to see what paintings Dwarfs create!

"And, dear Count, this lovely painting was made by one of the local artists. As you can see, it is a zombie elephant, on fire, stomping on a pile of baby Dwarfs.  What?  Oh yes, it is a real event that happened just last year.  The artist was a retired member of the Guard you see.  Sad really.  As you can see the dyes are made by our local craftsmen.  Now the red of the flames is, in FACT, Goblin blood.  Should we place it in your bedroom?  Your wife's bedroom?  Very good sir."
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Caldemar

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2013, 12:39:52 pm »

"And, dear Count, this lovely painting was made by one of the local artists. As you can see, it is a zombie elephant, on fire, stomping on a pile of baby Dwarfs.  What?  Oh yes, it is a real event that happened just last year.  The artist was a retired member of the Guard you see.  Sad really.  As you can see the dyes are made by our local craftsmen.  Now the red of the flames is, in FACT, Goblin blood.  Should we place it in your bedroom?  Your wife's bedroom?  Very good sir."

I was lukewarm to the idea, and then read this.  We must have paintings :P
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Zale

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2013, 09:18:54 pm »

Best way to garner support for your suggestion: Link it with death, maiming and/or murder.
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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2013, 11:09:39 am »

Yes please.

Although, IMO embroidery should also be placeable furniture. Like a rug perhaps or pennants.

Sirbug

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2013, 11:55:47 am »

I don't feel like paintings and rugs is dwarven thing, but buying them from humans (or maybe one day looting them from human cities) would be cool.

Although paintings would be weird mechanic-wise because there's no actual mechanic for hanging things on the wall.
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« Reply #9 on: October 10, 2013, 12:23:18 pm »

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I don't feel like paintings and rugs is dwarven thing, but buying them from humans (or maybe one day looting them from human cities) would be cool.
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But mosaics would fit the dwarves stone affiliation, and what would a dwarven hall be without tapestries. Assuming a wall hanging mechanic is put in.
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Sirbug

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« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2013, 12:45:31 pm »

Mosaics seem like a gem-sink. I always end up with too many gems that are too tiresome to utilize all, letting me waste them on art would be cool.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

Particleman

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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #11 on: October 10, 2013, 07:18:10 pm »

Paintings, canvases, and frames probably wouldn't be too hard to mod in using a custom workshop. I'm not sure what skill painting would use, I'd personally go with dyer though, or maybe make the "Make Lye" job require the Potash Maker skill instead, and use the Lye Maker labor for painting (the only reason being that they're both skills that don't see much use, and one needs to be freed up to become the substitute Painting skill.) Maybe make paintings a type of window? That's the closest existent thing I can think of.
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Re: Mosaics, paintings and embroidery
« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2013, 11:09:50 pm »

Wall-hanging could just go along the same lines as engravings do at the moment - you place the painting or tapestry directly on the wall; or you have a dwarf build or carve a hook directly into the wall, on which the painting/tapestry is hung.

Though it would probably work better if it were somehow directional, especially if the work was combined with carving or attaching ladders to a wall.
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Sirbug

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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2013, 12:23:12 am »

Wall-hanging could just go along the same lines as engravings do at the moment - you place the painting or tapestry directly on the wall; or you have a dwarf build or carve a hook directly into the wall, on which the painting/tapestry is hung.

Though it would probably work better if it were somehow directional, especially if the work was combined with carving or attaching ladders to a wall.

I suppose if we could handle wall being engraved on every direction at once, we can live with painting hanging through the wall.
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Cool, but wouldn't this likely lead to tongues having a '[SPEACH]' tag, and thus via necromancy we would have nearly unkillable reanimated tongues following necromancers spamming 'it is sad but not unexpected'?

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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2013, 10:12:12 am »

Wall-hanging could just go along the same lines as engravings do at the moment - you place the painting or tapestry directly on the wall; or you have a dwarf build or carve a hook directly into the wall, on which the painting/tapestry is hung.

Though it would probably work better if it were somehow directional, especially if the work was combined with carving or attaching ladders to a wall.

I suppose if we could handle wall being engraved on every direction at once, we can live with painting hanging through the wall.

Wall engravings are a bit funny, because IIRC their value is actually only counted on side (the side they were made from I guess), even though they're visible to the player as being on the whole tile.

And the OP forgot about ceramics (glazed and not glazed) as mosaic materials. Mosaics do seem more dwarvenly, and might be easier to handle for both floor and walls. Smoothing/deconstructing the whole wall/floor seems really weird, just to remove a wall hanging.

And FYI: IIRC there was already a carpet floating around in a mod somewhere. A 1x1 (you could make bigger if you wanted, I guess) workshop that doesn't block movement and uses cloth (which you can also decorate, it doesn't have to be plain) as a material. And which does nothing else workshoppy, just stops you from building anything on top of it.
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