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Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« on: September 13, 2014, 03:44:25 pm »

So I had an ambush of about 10 kobolds. My fully equipped military squad had no problem killing them all, save one. It slipped by, killed a dog, potash maker, and got into a fight with my captain of the guard.

Unfortunately the captain would not fight back at all. He just stood there and took it. So I sent another fully equipped squad after it. They walked right up to the Kobold, but failed to attack it at all. The kobold was unable to get through their iron armor and shields, and eventually exhausted itself.

So... I sent my first squad, the one that killed 9 kobolds, to finish it off. They too, just stood over its unconscious body. Not attacking. They are not horrified.

I have no way of killing this kobold. Did I find a new bug or am I missing something here? Using LNP 40.11r3 w/bugfixes and performance tweaks.
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2014, 04:10:50 pm »

It's a problem with enemies who have moved Z levels.
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2014, 04:45:44 pm »

They certainly did. Came straight down a mountain. Any fix for it?
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2014, 05:25:44 pm »

I've never seen on. I find when an enemy falls down a cliff or something, they are unhittable. Never found a fix, so I normally let traps handle those guys. War animals seem to have no problem hitting them, so try tossing a war dog or two on your dwarves.
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Quote from: Cptn Kaladin Anrizlokum
I threw night creature blood into a night creature's heart and she pulled it out and bled to death.
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Places to jibber madly at each other, got it
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2014, 06:50:02 pm »

Kobolds are immune to traps, aren't they? Any other ideas?
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2014, 06:52:00 pm »

Not spike traps.
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Places to jibber madly at each other, got it
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If any of them are made of fire, throw stuff, run, and think non-flammable thoughts.

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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2014, 06:55:29 pm »

The problem is getting it in one at this point. Might try save scumming.

Anyone got a bugtracker for this? I might upload a save.
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2014, 07:09:51 pm »

Depending on where the Kob is laying, another way to deal with him would be to dig out the ground under him and then cave it in.  Most likely he'll die in that.

And if not, you can fill in the resulting pit with water, which WILL take care of him.
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2014, 12:40:49 am »

I could crush him with a drawbridge too.

The only problem with all of these ideas is getting them done before he gets up from his exhausted state.

Is there a way to just kill/erase a character with DFHack?


This is a pretty serious bug. My fort is basically screwed unless I deal with him. :(
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2014, 01:15:13 am »

There are plugins to selectively murderize creatures.

You can also entomb them with obsidian using liquids, then spawn magma on top of them. That usually does lesser creatures like the skulking filth in.

Alternatively, you and resort to temporary raw editing. Just alter the kobold raw so that their skin has a vapor point that is room temperature, save the raws, the load your game. Said kobold will evaporate in a nice pink cloud. Save the game, then revert the changes in the raws, then keep going.

So many fun ways to do them in when you fully actualize your powers as an avatar of armok.

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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2014, 01:31:47 am »

Is there a way to just kill/erase a character with DFHack?
I think [source add magma/water] in DFHack can help you to kill him.
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2014, 01:39:52 am »

liquids
m
3
range 1,1
(switch to fortress mode, loo(k), position cursor on kobold)
(Switch back to DFHack)
[enter]
(Switch back to fortress mode, leave look mode, unpause if necessary. Magma is spawned on top of the kobold at  3/7 depth. Spreads into 3 tiles at 1/7 depth. Kobold dies in the heat.)

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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2014, 04:08:36 am »

I love it how you mentioned obsidian casting before magma-burning.
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #13 on: September 14, 2014, 04:46:18 pm »

There are plugins to selectively murderize creatures.

You can also entomb them with obsidian using liquids, then spawn magma on top of them. That usually does lesser creatures like the skulking filth in.

Alternatively, you and resort to temporary raw editing. Just alter the kobold raw so that their skin has a vapor point that is room temperature, save the raws, the load your game. Said kobold will evaporate in a nice pink cloud. Save the game, then revert the changes in the raws, then keep going.

So many fun ways to do them in when you fully actualize your powers as an avatar of armok.

This sounds like the simplest solution, but will it kill kobolds that reside off of my map?
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Re: Bug? Can kill all the Kobolds except one
« Reply #14 on: September 17, 2014, 09:41:01 pm »

Happened again with a Werebuffalo.  :-[

And it appears it makes them trap-immune too.

This is quite annoying.
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