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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12960 on: March 23, 2016, 08:53:40 pm »

If the math is unwieldy, you change the math, TBF.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12961 on: March 23, 2016, 08:56:01 pm »

18+6+22 (15*1.5).

46 HP on turn 5.  RES 15.

On turn 1: 18+6+16 (11*1.5)
30 on turn 1.  RES 11.

It's not unwiedly, I'm just tirederp.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12962 on: March 23, 2016, 08:57:41 pm »

And it can always be unapproved.

I mean, Shirogane's Dual Forms sets an ugly Precedent in my opinion as does Kinetic Shell being so powerful despite being bundled with Kinetic Slam.
I honestly don't think actions that are simultaneously two actions, regardless of justification by realism or not, should be allowed. It basically renders the limit on actions moot if everyone could double their actions with a bit of creativity.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12963 on: March 23, 2016, 08:58:35 pm »

And it can always be unapproved.

I mean, Shirogane's Dual Forms sets an ugly Precedent in my opinion as does Kinetic Shell being so powerful despite being bundled with Kinetic Slam.
you wat m8? How does Shiro's dual form set an ugly precedent?
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12964 on: March 23, 2016, 08:59:45 pm »

It's an action that basically makes an entirely separate character. So you have two, pretty much. If allowed at all it should be a perk, I think. But you're the GM.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12965 on: March 23, 2016, 09:00:55 pm »

Sanure has... 4 characters already...
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12966 on: March 23, 2016, 09:01:10 pm »

Twin: Precisely. Not only is it powerful, it has two completely unrelated modes. As for Shirogane, it's just a almost identical to Aaron/Seratius's Perk which Elf didn't exactly like.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12967 on: March 23, 2016, 09:02:45 pm »

Well, Transformations are allowed, but I can see what you're getting at. Honestly I was tempted to put a turn limit on it and make it similar to super mode (mios special) but wasn't sure if it needed too or not. Me being the Gm doesn't matter, broken characters get a nerf :P

@Emp, right I was needing to bring that up with elf. I did say Transformations was allowed right?

Edit: I did say transformation was allowed. Check the OP under actions.
« Last Edit: March 23, 2016, 09:06:21 pm by Sanure »
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12968 on: March 23, 2016, 09:03:54 pm »

Sanure has... 4 characters already...

I have two. Tourmaline and Shiro. Periw and Citrine are NPCs So again, Not relevant. Or at the very least remember what I said when I first introduced Citrine and Tourmaline :P *is joke because no one remembers that.*
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12969 on: March 23, 2016, 09:05:27 pm »

If you think it to be fair, then so be it, you are the GM after all, but understand that others will likely make characters with similar capabilities using her as a precedent.

A character who can just change their role at the drop of a hat, is something that can have significant implications for combat and specialisation as a whole.

He certainly didn't seem to like it, I can tell you that. No explicit ruling was made however.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12970 on: March 23, 2016, 09:07:30 pm »

If you think it to be fair, then so be it, you are the GM after all, but understand that others will likely make characters with similar capabilities using her as a precedent.

A character who can just change their role at the drop of a hat, is something that can have significant implications for combat and specialisation as a whole.

I don't know if it is fair or not. Again, Me being GM doesn't matter when a character is supposed broken, even if it's my character.

We're not talking about sen are we? because I'd like to not remember any of that fuster cluck...
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12971 on: March 23, 2016, 09:08:47 pm »

Oooh! ooh!

Make transformations a build up thing, so you protect the baby saiyan so he gets a chance to Oozaru in peace, and that is the cost.

So instead of Shouting, glows and an anime cutaway, turning into your alter ego takes like 3 turns with someone volunteering to take your beating while you do the job.

In return, they get a buff for that long, Call it Transformation High, so there is a reason to do it aside from skillset changing.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12972 on: March 23, 2016, 09:10:13 pm »

Ew no. Get out :P

Also, Not fair to Victoria to enforce that since she's an actual magical girl who needs to transform to fight...
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12973 on: March 23, 2016, 09:11:22 pm »

Magical girl TF =/= GIANT POWER BOOST TF because Victoria can't fight without transforming.
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Re: Trespassers of the Multiverse: Gaiden [OOC] Compleation is a drop away...
« Reply #12974 on: March 23, 2016, 09:14:47 pm »

No, almost forgotten about that actually :P Different matters entirely, back then Precedents hardly mattered, but here, well they're basically unofficial guidelines by which all that follows are compared to.

I don't think it balanced because having two seperate builds is too exploitable. Elf didn't like Digital's Perk which even disallowed Perk-sharing between forms. Plus it also means more work, since whenever they level up they'd have ability and stat points for each form to distribute.
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