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[Telgin]

I feel like that would be the natural response, but I don't really know what is even traded between countries that would be affected by the tariffs.

Actually, how does this interact with NAFTA?

[bloop_bleep]

Actually, how does this interact with NAFTA?

Not an expert, at all, but I feel this is probably a blatant breach of the terms.

[hector13]

Trump negotiated a trade deal with Canada and Mexico during his first term.

I think Mexico might respond, Trudeau has been a bit less confrontational about it.

[Frumple]

Does the president have unilateral authority to apply tariffs or does it have to go through legislation?

Basically... yes. It does have to go through legislation, but the issue there is it's gone through legislation and the legislation broadly left the president with unilateral authority to apply tariffs.

It's a power designated by congress that could be removed or overruled by congress, but fucking lol at the prospect of the incoming congress being willing to shit in trump's sandbox like that. It's ostensibly possible, but practically incredibly, incredibly unlikely (so long as there's a GOP majority, so at least until 26, probably).

Canada is shocked with Trump's annoucement it will get 25% tariff rates at the first day of his presidency.

I wonder if Canada (and Mexico) will have balls to respond with simmilar tarrifs.

Mexico's already been quite loud that they will retaliate, and their current leadership would be pretty damn certain to follow through with it. It's... not likely Sheinbaum is going to be particularly cordial towards trump, for a gigantic host of reasons.

Good bit of canada's political critters across their entire spectrum has also been making noises along those lines.

That said, similar tariffs are unlikely -- the last time trump tried tariff horseshit with those two, they used very specifically targeted retaliatory tariffs to basically rile up folk stateside so badly trump functionally went and rolled over, belly up. They, unlike trump, aren't stupid enough to think a universal tariff is needed or helpful to accomplish their goals, so it's fairly unlikely you'll see that. Retaliation, though? About as close to certain as certain gets, and it's going to be aimed to hit where it hurts.

[anewaname]

Whatever Trump threatens, it can be easily put aside if you will just withdraw dufflebags of USD from your banks and give them to Trump's bagman. (Egypt in 2015). That is the point of many of Trump's threats.

[hector13]

I thought that’s what his hotels and golf courses were for?

[Duuvian]

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/exxon-lobbyist-investigated-over-hack-and-leak-environmentalist-emails-sources-2024-11-27/

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Beginning in April 2016, news reports appeared alleging the ExxonKnew campaign was a politicized effort pushed by wealthy benefactors. Within 24 hours of one another, two media outlets published stories based on an internal Rockefeller Family Foundation memo. The memo said activists were working to convince the public that “Exxon is a corrupt institution” and wanted to “delegitimize them as a political actor.”
The person with knowledge of the law enforcement investigation said the FBI assessed that the memo was obtained via the Forlit-led hacking operation. Separately, Reuters determined that the memo was subsequently leaked to the media by DCI.
Exxon’s lawyers repeatedly drew on the hacked documents to support the company’s litigation.

Also I'd like to take a moment to thank the people involved in stopping this predatory behavior.

EDIT: I saw this response after I posted because I remembered to check this time. Busy thread, eh?

A significant number are US manufactured, sold to the Mexican government and subsequently stolen.

The much-cited 90% figure comes from 2009, when the ATF stated that somewhere between 40% and 89% of submitted serial numbers (depending on the submission batch) originated with the US civilian market. The Mexican government submitted 69,808 in that year. In 2009, the Mexican government reported that they had 305,424 confiscated firearms in inventory. ATF officials later testified before Congress that they had a policy of not attempting to trace a gun unless they believed there was a high probability of a US civilian origin, specifically so that they could present a high number for domestic political purposes.

I have no reason to doubt this is true, but afaik there is a flaw with this argument. The ATF did not, until very recently, publically release the tracing date according to a news article I found. It seems it was forced to release the data by a court order, and this seems counter-productive to producing an informed public interested in stemming such problems.

https://www.kpbs.org/news/border-immigration/2024/11/20/mexico-devastated-by-iron-river-of-guns-from-us

Spoiler: Data of firearms tracing translated onto US map by zipcode (click to show/hide)

From the article to be fair: Keane acknowledged the new data could be a useful tool to start an investigation into illegal straw purchasing but said, "It’s wrong to take that data and make blanket assertions that dealers in a given zip code are somehow corrupt."

This meant until recently there was weakened public oversight over a matter that is generally held to be likely of deep personal and political interest (firearm legislation and regulation) to the shepherds of the information. This hopefully would not matter, but again, court orders required...

[anewaname]

@hector13
Those locations are the shrines where you go to show adoration and give offerings. For that, you may be allowed to transact with Trump. The threats from Trump are the demand for a transaction.

[Lord Shonus]

I have no reason to doubt this is true, but afaik there is a flaw with this argument. The ATF did not, until very recently, publically release the tracing date according to a news article I found. It seems it was forced to release the data by a court order, and this seems counter-productive to producing an informed public interested in stemming such problems.

Read the source a little more closely.

Federal laws prohibit ATF from publicly releasing what is known as "trace data," which identifies where guns found in Mexico came from. Instead, ATF is limited to publishing aggregate data of the overall numbers traced to the U.S. but not more specific geographic data./quote]

This part has been loudly trumpeted by the ATF for many years. It is the specific "what dealer does this come from" that required a court order.

[Robot Parade Leader]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-brokered-cease-fire-begun-121411021.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

So Biden's been trying to get the cease fire in the middle east all along and Trump's getting credit? Weird? I don't get it.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/congressman-asks-fema-head-she-140721199.html

"I do not control the weather," Criswell responded, with a hint of resignation.

Why. Why do we live in a timeline where this is a question anyone asks for any reason, ever.
Do people just not realize if someone could control the weather they'd sell that to farmers for lots of money?
I can't wrap my head around it.

[Starver]

So Biden's been trying to get the cease fire in the middle east all along and Trump's getting credit? Weird? I don't get it.

Well, an amount of what Biden is blamed for could be said to be due to him having to deal with various messes and mishandlings left by his predecessor. Whoever that was. I forget his name...

Sounds fair, right?

(Seriously, if that (or anything else that seemed better) blows up again, even after the Inauguration, it'll be Biden's fault again. Mark my words.)

[wobbly]

Being blamed or getting the credit for your predecessor's policies are pretty much the norm. If a policy takes around 4 years to have a significant effect than that effect is occuring after the next election.

[Starver]

Being blamed or getting the credit for your predecessor's policies are pretty much the norm. If a policy takes around 4 years to have a significant effect than that effect is occuring after the next election.

More than that, people actively groan at Labour spokescritters, here in the UK, formulaically blaming problems on the the just-departed Conservatives, within four or five months of their stepping into government.

But even in the run-up to that very election, Conservative spokescritters were actually still trotting out the blame for all then current circumstances upon the previous Labour policies from fourteen years previously (supposedly in an attempt to justify not being unelected, begging to be allowed to do what five intermediate Conservative PMs had apparently been unable to do, but I'm not entirely sure everyone's heart was fully in that/not trying to self-sabotage their own chances).

(To be fair to the groaners, even I consider it a cliché. But, if someone can come up with a better way of putting the same sentiment, I would consider it fair play to use that all the way up to 2038, given the relevant opportunity and necessity.)

[Folly]

President Joe Biden has issued a broad pardon for his son, Hunter Biden, after vowing not to do so during his campaign.

This is...disappointing. But I think it's also necessary, and may signify a change in direction for the Democratic Party and for this country. In recent decades the Democrats have, with some notable exceptions, largely tried to maintain a certain level of integrity and decency. In contrast, the Republic Party have generally abandoned these ideals, both to their benefit and to the detriment of their rivals. And the constituents who vote for both parties have overwhelmingly shown that they simply do not care. So, if it really makes no difference, then the Democrats must sink to the same levels as the Republicans just to keep up.

For any other citizen, Hunter's crimes would have resulted in a simple fine which would be quickly paid and he would have moved on with his life. But because of persistent and baseless pressure from the Republican Party, this case was elevated and extended far beyond where it should have ended. And now with the incoming President and his staff broadly vowing revenge politics, it behooves Joe Biden to go back on his word end this charade by granting his son this pardon.

[Starver]

Yeah, when I heard it I also thought "now the other guy will consider it Ok to fully pardon the Shaman/et al", before realising that this was always inevitable. Perhaps a little integrity lost on one side, but I doubt it'll change anything (including all but a few surprisingly unpolarised fence-sitters' opinions) regarding views of the other.

So it's not particularly positive optics for Biden, but it's not (to use a current British thing, nothing to do with politics, but something I'd expect from somewhere in the incoming administration) at the level of the Greg Wallace own-goal...