Pozzai:
4 reads, yes. Have any changed? Doll has a point about you.
What exactly is Doll's point about me? Why don't YOU expand on it?
4 reads is still more than most people in the game has given, why is it an issue I 'only' gave 4, why is it not more important that multiple people have given (next to) none?
And no, nothing major has changed in regards to this.
What do you think of fish asking for my reads, being told I had given some and has proceeded to do 0 with the information? No confrontation or discussion at all about the reads he was so interested in me giving?
I assumed you'd figure out from the context that I was referring to doll's point about your reads. Specifically this one:
I didn't expand on it because you're already responding fairly poorly to the pressure given to you by doll and TBF, which is understandable, given doll's idea of pressure, but at the same time wanted you to be aware that doll had a point. Lenglon did a much better job on this front.
Sure 4 reads is better than a lot of people, but its still only a quarter of the players in this game. And the four reads were of people like flabort, who hasn't posted as much as he did early game. So I'm sure you had more reads than just 4 by then. And later on, you did start posting them.
Also, what you did in this post with TBF is classic deflection. You should also notice I've stated previously that if I wasn't voting flabort I'd be voting TBF, explicitly attacking him for lack of follow-up.
Posting a full readslist shows you want to seem active, as you can't possibly have anything remotely strong in terms of opinions on anyone.
It's way better to fixate on the stronger reads and make sure you let people know those than adding a bunch of sleb into a pile "just because"
The weaker reads still generate content, because a snap judgement on someone tells you a bit about the player making the read list. Are the strong reads important yes, but sometimes the weak ones give good content. What's wrong with wanting to be engaged and active? I'm fine with it if you don't like posting a full list of reads (because most of reads on OSG is going to be "he's barely posted") but you seem to be implying its a scumtell here.
Again, I answered them in terms of what they gave, had they asked "do you have any reads, I'd have pointed out where they were, demand shit, and you'll get responded to in equal
Their constant avoidance to actually give specifics as to where 'buddying' exists, their lack in interest in how the other person in the exchanges thought the exchange felt means he's just latching onto what's cool and popular.
They also asked me to go read up on other games, but have had no interest in reading up on mine or Tea's and used it to throw shade in my direction.
You keep using they, but most of these complaints in this post are directed solely at TBF, and your last line refers to FallacyofUrist, I think. If you look at the cases brought against you by TBF, doll, and Lenglon, you'll notice that they have different reasons for voting you. Lenglon's voting you over your supposed hypocritical reads stance, doll has a slightly broader case on you, and TBF's voting you for buddying. You're lumping people in the game into an indistinguishable "they" in this post and its really weird, since I don't think you're using it as a gender neutral pronoun here.
Persus was on my ISO list which I intended to do today at some point, but frankly only awake right now because I set my alarm to +3hours earlier so will have to wait till tonight, because Persus' reason for scumreading me felt very lazy, got a postnumber down for Flabort? I kinda felt like I had read one more at some point that irked me a bit, but couldn't find it when I quickly looked through earlier.
Where did I say I thought you were scum?
So at the first part and the final sentence.
Those two together actually make it even worse.
You're verbally supporting a case on me, that I, and even Doll themself agreed on was "weak"
It's a kind of non-commital way to keep pressure on a person, while deciding whether you want to be on the wagon and actively pursuing the lynch, or stepping back later if things change. The fact that you're now trying to make it sound as if you were not
actually scumreading me, makes the manner of reminding people of the case even worse.
I use "they" a lot, because it's the gender neutral way of speaking of people. As long as I'm not 100% certain of people's gender, I tend to keep it gender neutral, which I have done the entire game, except one instance where I think Tea initially said "he" so I in terms responded with "he" about Lenglon, how come you haven't noticed that other places?
@Jack I'm starting to ISO/LurkerTrack Persus now, can you go into more detail about your read on them?
Pozzai
May've been addressed already, but:
I haven't shared them(well kind of have in some interactions) and I wont, because it breaks the purpose.
If I say "I did this and that because I hope to get these results" I murk the waters for the results I get.
There's no point in giving people an exact blueprint of what you're doing/intending to do.
*cough cough*
If scum!4mask, might be informative if their arguments feels reachy or contrived.
So... you're willing to let scum know a little bit about how to hide themselves from you, but you're unwilling to let town know how to show themselves to you?
You also seem to be awfully interested in other players reads of those that are voting you:
flabort on TBF
Lenglon on TBF's suspicion
Lenglon on TBF in general
Almost as though you're trying to deflect attention (votes?) onto a person that can easily be made to look scummier than you.
What do you think of TBF?
It seems from your reads that you have a much stronger case against both TBF and doll (in the sense that nobody is going to vote with you based on meta) than you do for the person you're voting for at this point, which is Tea. Why are you voting for Tea here, and not TBF or doll? (vote count at the time)
Quite frankly, yes, I'd rather tell people how to avoid being scumread than how to be townread, because that still means they have to force themselves into doing stuff in a certain manner to 'satisfy me' which can come of as crafted to me, and might get people who know them better to see things in their argumentation that reveals their alignment as well.
Also, I never said I didn't alude to or say what I do find towny in general, because that's in all my reads where I have seen something towny.
I am saying if I do/say "x" to get reactions, I'm not afterwards gonna state "I hope to get y" out of it, because it ruins any natural reactions to my initial action. For an example, see when I explain how I went about my initial thought process about Tea.
I did and said specific things, to get reactions from her, and then revealed why I did so and what I got from it, had I simply instantly said "I wish for Y" that whole sequence of interactions had been pointless.
Regarding to strength of case, Doll is self-resolving. If I am wrong on them, and we lynch them while they're self-resolving, that's a huge own-goal.
About TBF, you'll notice I spoke to a townlean later turned into a townread about their meta, since no one said "no that's total bull" to the meta explanation, I take that as fairly accurate, which creates issues with a large part of my points about them, because a large portion of my issue is that "surely a logical person would've noticed/done...."
Finally, I do not think my case on TBF or Doll were stronger. Tea has had some interactions and actions/lack of actions I find 'off' at the same time she's a person(the only person) I at the same time have some experience with, and in terms of meta, she also feels off, so as a person that tends to use experience as a factor in my reads, she pinged both the "in this game" and "through experience" parts of my scumradar.
TBF I expanded on a few times, since my Tea read kind of dissipated a bit, they're my strongest scumread. I have severe reservations about them being in a position where everyone is like "well we can just lynch them because I don't know" and something I hadn't quite taken in yet this morning when still posting was that the OP kind of confirmed a mafia faction existing, which therefore makes me even more uncertain about them being scum, or just a misslynch where people can just claim "well they were poe" as their reason to kill them off.
@Tea you asked for a reminder.
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