*sigh*
Why doll? why...
Whatever, since apparently nobody else followed doll's primary case on flabort, I guess Ill have to push it.
Flabort - explain how doll's roleclaim induces WIFOM.
I did, and I'm ambivalent to it since it tries to induce a conclusive scumhunt on Day 1 without anything else than behavior
reaction. Doesn't look like either could be scum given how each do communicate however I'm also doubtful on that since Flabort hasn't been that precise in his responses in turn, although I can see a very real degree of reason in his responses.
Also in doll's last post, I have no idea who he's talking about in confirmed town--especially since he did NOTHING ABOUT HIS OWN ACTIONS [eww bitter aftertaste; eww out of character behavior] if he's referring to Flabort.
Frankly, I dont get why hes so ipset to be lynched if when we strike him down he will become more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
Splotchy net has me speaking in immediate reactions instead of detailed responses--wasn't able to get online yesterday or screenshot stuff to post and reply to, and I forgot Webby's timezone (I recall it is GMT -4? so it's basically 8pm his time as of my writing? .-.
but this...pretty much is a towntell :V
He is UPSET because the lynch could be used on OTHER PEOPLE maybe?
And that he's voting doll because of the voracity of the case presented on him because it pretty much is through one's own personal lens. Adding in doll's wording style and, as I've come to know, his overall
actual bitterness, it makes a compelling
emotional case. This perspective of his bitterness in behavior will prevail until he actually says something about it, but I haven't looked down upon him as a person beyond the 'stupidity' of the user account being a foil, just his behavior.
Sure. webadict: You forgot my oppose shorten.
Agh my eyes.
Use orange dude. It's what got Webby's eyes since ever--I use darkling and it's personally the BEST color to catch, even in the default 'core' forum view (white background)
Oh, and "doll might be a joker" isn't a valid answer. Thats a problem for N1 inspectors and D2 everyone else. D1 nobody has a reason to care about that. since we arent lynching doll D1 anyway.
This, I agree with >_>
Despite doll's intensiveness in how he words things, he words them in a way that gets ideas and information with experience. This depth did, unspokenly, make me very wary on if he was scum so I did treat all his words as if they're in some sort of filter of sorts, however lately I'm all leaning in the gray zone due to his...unclarified and unknown interpretation of recent events >_> The bitterness is, actually, real, and that threw me off.
Otherwise, he presented a compelling case, which
Flabort's responses (CHECK HIS POST HISTORY PEOPLE) ended up in a fullclaim about--giving off the real impression that doll isn't just talking out of something such as a group-agenda {usually mafia/scum} (though it is, honestly, weird that he leaves his vote on him, leaves in an ungentlemanly and out of character huff [I'm suspecting he interpreted something on his side, it invoked an intense and generalized reaction or thought or idea or impression about the game at that point, and he concluded on that instead of actually rethinking his thoughts])
Reference here
[...]
I am FHPBYOR, Town. I have an auto that resurrects me, once, and that makes me suspicious of Tea's claim that they can resurrect one person they killed - besides the fact that they'd be using an action after they died. I have two night actions; one randomly redirects the target, and one gives the target a random 1-shot out of a set list of one-shots (Protect, Inspect, Kill, Track, Watch, Karma (?), Bus, Redirect, Guard, Block). And finally I have my own one shot, the most counter of the counter claims against Tea, which gives me infinite actions for the phase that I use it, and it reads that it does not count towards my one action per phase, and that any actions taken that phase can be targeted at any number of targets, so long as I target each person only once (each). NOTE that it doesn't say that it causes me or anyone else to die.
[...]
...ALso doesn't it make sense to be PRETTY upset that one is to lose an ACTUALLY IMPORTANT and rather pragmatic ability/auto because of the reasons presented--including a vote of one person
in absentia?
Doll, in as far as I believe in his competence, would probably have actually left since that's one part none of us can control; but I don't believe he would leave the
follow-up unread. What I mean is he may lurk through this, and thus I'm still targeting his husk of an account later on.
And to clarify, yes I'm still bitter about what he's said and done, but I do not lower the idea of him as a person beyond the account to his behavior. It's just that he's pretty much absent and all I've to work with, is that possibility of 'leave a note on what to do in N1', and to re-read all his stuff about 'I'm ded D2 :< so this is all my shots'. [ie His earlier posts about softclaiming about his role, adding a bit of understandable WIFOM to nudge in a polarity between SCUMSHOT and Town attractive-abilities in N1 for a presumed plan, and also in his semantical constructs towards people in particular. His views are still important sans his last recent posts, and even then there are things in his posts that are important sans the portions that are...outside of Mafia [but also personally important]]
It's bitter that he's done it in this way though. How he did it. -_- If there's ANY consolation in his role flavor or whatever post-game, that'll make just a tiny bit of recompense, but I'm seeking that in his earliest posts about a possible plan, because while it doesn't affect me {y'know probably}, it affects others inasmuch as literally everyone else here does affect the balance of the game.
Because I'm still thinking AT LEAST 3 scum, re-considering my earlier mention of 3 mafia in a supposedly vanilla 16 player alignment setup.
tl;dr: I do see doll's case being solid. I do not however see it as opaque. Translucent--meaning that while there are pretty nice points in it FROM pretty much information given within the game, denoting flabort's RESPONSE to his own actions, there's still an area of having an agenda in it. Why I'm not voting EITHER OF THEM is because I'm leaning town on either in a very gray area given both their interactions with each other, and what I've read of both.
ANYWAY
Tea, I appreciate your endeavors to check on me--pretty much one of the lesser people in the spotlight of today,
within today.
So about the confusion;
I don't understand what her last bit to Persus means at all.
I took Persus saying me missing things [which is reasonable], on my internet [which...isn't that much but I see how it means well], because I do not take things outside of my control to limit me and my capabilities. WHile it does explain a bit of me being scattered in my posts, I am STILL responsible for what I do say
I replied to Persus' post like that because I wondered why I was highlighted in Flabort's note with...that kind of idea.
I'm not sure how you guys let Shakerag, Tiruin, TDS and TBF get away with their bullshit of ending conversations and selectively ignoring shit, but the wagon that formed against me for... what are you even voting for me over again? I can't even tell, especially in Doll's posts.
>_>
<.<
Moreso to clarify that expletives do take a ton of my focus because it's not in my local culture in a way to have them spread out commonly as if they belong as a replacement for actual words in a sentence; they're usually emotional words or expressions so it's that bit that I replied to.
And also she...somehow doesn't realize that no one flabort mentioned in the group of people "selectively ignoring shit" is on flabort's wagon, despite her, uh, bolded insistence that she's attentive to and against his wagon:
I actually did and that's why I worded my response
as I did.Are you sure what you said there applies to me?
Which meant more on 'Do you really think I'm doing what you're saying?'
It's connected to the wagon mention because...he said in the same sentence about a wagon or something and I asked that because I wasn't even on it, alongside the others mentioned too. I just mentioned 'I'm' because I know he'd look back and would check and mention others too, in turn. Also that me only speaking for myself lets others speak too--and this helps keep my note-keeping better about those other people when or if they respond, instead of me speaking for something I'm grouped in.
^ And furthermore I'm not sure if I'm defining active lurking differently from her or from literally everyone, but my understanding of the term active lurking is posting things that contribute only on the surface/or even outright fluff but don't reflect very much of a desire to solve the game? As such I don't understand the relevance of activity level outside of the thread.
Active lurking, on what I learned, is more "You are active online but not posting in the thread" rather than "poopyposting".
{Posting things that contribute superficially only}. Although now that I recall, what you said there is also defined as active lurking here too. Just that there are more types of active lurking than that.
:v
Yes I'm really adverse to expletives that aren't in my mother tongue. And even then, most of them are from SPANISH CONQUISTADORES THAT I DISLIKE WITH A PASSION [not all but :V]
and that our country is still dumbly called a 'colony' when those people failed to 'colonize' other parts because of our resistance grumble grumble.
But yeah it's more my culture and upbringing with expletives.
And then she is asking people to push on her, and then seemingly getting defensive in response to just TolyK pressing her and revealing her hand of clever softing that she's been doing throughout the day for reasons I don't super understand? (Another example of the latter bit is in the first quote of this post.)
From what I've seen and noted thus far, this game (or many games where there are a ton of players) on Bay12...at least? Seem to have activity spikes at the beginning of the game, after any game-changing or major ability use in the open ["massively affecting abilities"], or near the end of the game. This activity spike is with communication and people communicating with a certain set of other players around them. This communication is usually with those that they feel wary with or feel like they're going to benefit more about knowing--which, I do believe, is why people DID jump on Pozzai and collaterally, you, because this 'newbie' is only sticking to 'what he knows', and thus may give off an 'outside' impression.
Personally, this is translated to 'scum', because (and I presume a lot here in context) people at times have the tendency to group 'unfamiliarity/strange behavior' with being scum. And personally this is either my own noting of a 'town'-ish tell, or a tell on behavior that denotes reactiveness to anything sensed or focused on, or superficial scumminess. {because I've seen scum do this, but not in a comprehensive/deep way that they even follow up}
This is also partly why I'm ambivalent to TBF because this is how he behaved early on. Why he stuck onto Pozzai with his narrative. His lack of tells OTHERWISE are why I'm still voting him >_> I've to move my vote soon because I'm seeing him in the gray {Personal word for 'in between scum and town that means uncertain' which can be anywhere on either side, but 'unstable'}
Anyway yeah. I think I've clarified that much.
Is there still anything you're confused with?
Everyone here is literally out to get you. You can't fully trust everyone. Of course people will make their cases with different posts and such. Things can be explained differently (eg. Tiruin could be scum trying to get flabort not lynched today! or flabort is town and we are misjudging his activity today because of playstyle! Or a myriad of other possibilities).
Alright while I loved this post and rationality in poking sensitive emotions in an actual nice way instead of a condescending or overriding way...
You're seriously correlating me and Flabort without giving any mention that we could be both of town or either town/scum or whatever?
People CAN defend each other if they see validity in the response, and defending isn't a scum-tell if...I'm assuming very vaguely from that parentheses example. Just part of your story but I'm curious about why only those ideas are mentioned. :3
Especially why you kinda missed my point early in the game about what or why I'm saying particular phrases and sentences. How did you interpret me saying 'hey dudez, plz no inspectorino meee! I'm town!~' [/wowI'mbadatthis]
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