Print

Please login or register.
1 Hour 1 Day 1 Week 1 Month Forever
Login with username, password and session length

[Nirur Torir]

And then you help him bandwagon.  What say you, Nirur Torir?  Why are you voting Mightymushroom instead of this policy bot lynch?    Why are you ignoring Egan?  Why are you helping zero-effort Secretdorf be zero effort?

I haven't decided to drop an end of day vote-for-a-lynch yet.
Since scum's likely already figured it out: I'd rather not lynch another parakeet D1 if there are equally valid options.
I'd rather deal with a lazy player who might be willing to verify their actions than deal with a third NPC bot.

[Toaster]

Oh, well... that's a fair reason I hadn't considered.

Were all the parakeets named by NQT at the start of parakeet chat?  I don't care to know who is one, I just want to know if the parakeets know.  (Obviously I am not one.)


I'm still greatly concerned by the massive free pass you are giving Secretdorf.

[mightymushroom]

Mightymushroom:

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

TricMagic I would feel better about you if you had more to say about this alternative "Medium-ing secretly". Anything you care tell me for starters, no use keeping it in if you can't do it any more.

I'm not sure I follow this line of attack.  Can you expand on it please?

I felt that Tric was off his meta. TricMagic is voluble, prone to sharing and explaining. If he had a plan, where was it? So I challenged him on it.

Not that you could tell by the timestamps, but the discussion immediately prior was independent, I swear! I didn't want to reply with my reasoning then so Tric wouldn't be led into answering to my expectations: where does his passion lie?

But he didn't reply, he opted out. I see no reason to disbelieve his frustration in the exit post and that's a possible dent in my case, but without any counterpoint forthcoming I haven't shaken the feeling of something missing.

[Jim Groovester]

If possible I want someone else to give Jim a shield. I don't mind only having a 50% chance of getting a shield from Web, if scum decide to risk trying to kill me that's their gamble, but I don't want scum getting a free twofer from killing Jim if he's town.

Unless my reading of the rules is wrong people get shields at the end of the night so I don't expect receiving a shield on N1 provides protection until N2.

[juicebox]

Only three votes on Tric... why does it feel like more?  Probably because we have a few people indicating willingness to vote for Tric.

Mightymushroom:

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

TricMagic I would feel better about you if you had more to say about this alternative "Medium-ing secretly". Anything you care tell me for starters, no use keeping it in if you can't do it any more.

I'm not sure I follow this line of attack.  Can you expand on it please?


Webadict is reading fairly town to me at the moment, but I do want to know: is your vote on Tric based on anything but NQT's statement?


Juicebox:  Now that the Plan for Night 1 is settling into place, what's your plan for the rest of D1?


Jim:  Who do you suspect that isn't Tric or Egan?


Nirur:

How would giving Tric a shield help with the plan for tonight? NPCs cannot validate actions, nor do they need protection from mafia kills.
Just up the page, Toony proposed a change where you shield Wuba instead of Tric.

How do you not see the Tric case? He's an NPC bot doing random things, spreading chaos. This is only good for scum.
I'd love to lynch scum instead of an NPC bot. But a policy vote against someone for being absent, as he apologizes for his absence with a question to help bring him fully up-to-speed, doesn't strike me as working towards a town victory.

I saw the change after I typed that and didn't feel like changing it.

Every bit of what applies to Tric can be applied to Egan.  What I'm not seeing is why Tric instead of Egan?    Tric has more content that can be parsed, so any read-based reasoning can be outlined.  It's all striking me as off, especially when you have people like Secretdorf blatantly looking for a bandwagon.

3 on Tric, 1 on Egan.

And then you help him bandwagon.  What say you, Nirur Torir?  Why are you voting Mightymushroom instead of this policy bot lynch?    Why are you ignoring Egan?  Why are you helping zero-effort Secretdorf be zero effort?

Well I hope to see if we can maybe find some scum today. The only person who really stands out to me is FoU, who has been unusually quiet today, however I don't really see that as alignment indicative though, since they seem to be quite gartulous as both scum and town.

I'm leaning Town on Vector and Wuba, who are both still trying to daygame in addition to the plan, slight scumleans on Egan and Tric as explained above, everybody else is null for me atm.

[Vector]

Juicebox, Fallacy is in Texas.

[Jim Groovester]

notquitethere, how much time is there left in the day?

I think we're well below hammer limit but I'll vote Egan_BW when I get to focus on this game a bit more later tonight.

I take this back. Egan_BW making four posts, getting barely any pressure, and then privately tapping out concerns me greatly however.

OK, pretty sure this is Town!Jim Groovester. Thanks!

Willing to agree.

I need to work on my scum game if my town meta is this easy to sniff out. They used to be indistinguishable.... ten years ago.

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

OK, can anyone reasonably say that this ISN'T hat-lynching Town Tric from the last BYOR?

Hat lynching TricMagic didn't tap out.

I'll note I came to play a game of mafia. Not this hope and pray style where you either get in line or die.

I'll leave this up to any Replacements. This type of play is not my cup of tea. It's sooo boring. If I wanted that, I'd just read a history book.

This seems excessively defeatist and makes me suspicious.

I think things are going to go off the rails pretty quickly so there should be plenty of the mafia game you're looking for in coming days.

Unvote. Toonyman's and caz's plan sounds good. Imagine no one being killed and lvl 5 in every profession with D30 or something. Straying too far, eh.

I have no such flaw.

This post makes me suspicious but I'm having a hard time expressing precisely why.

It feels lazy.

Why are you forcing town to commit to a plan that has so many holes?

The only holes are people who can't contribute due to flaws and people who refuse (stupid). It's a plan that is gonna make it easy to see who did the nightkill and give most of the town a bulletproof vest. What is not to like here?? The alternative is everyone just yolo's however for a huge mess instead?

YOLOLOLOing is how it works in other games and tends to be reasonably successful when paired with a strong day game showing.

Voting someone just because they're replacing out doesn't sit right to me.

I agree in sentiment but slots awaiting replacement can be scum.

How do you not see the Tric case? He's an NPC bot doing random things, spreading chaos. This is only good for scum.
I'd love to lynch scum instead of an NPC bot. But a policy vote against someone for being absent, as he apologizes for his absence with a question to help bring him fully up-to-speed, doesn't strike me as working towards a town victory.

It's actually even worse, since if he's scum then he's a scum-controlled remote controlled NPC bot.

Jim:  Who do you suspect that isn't Tric or Egan?

Secretdorf feels wrong. mightymushroom also feels off.

I've never played with either of these players before, but I'm willing to extend a bit more slack to mightymushroom since he seems like an awkward dweeb more than anything else. Secretdorf seems lazy and disengaged and maybe a bit out of his element about what he should be doing as scum.

Even comparing his posts here to Exquisite Cops and Robbers II there's a noticeable difference.

Mostly the point any plans I had on Medium-ing secretly went out the window with this plan. I started poking as many holes into it as I could because it has workarounds that are obvious enough to see. Flowermaidens could for example dope to bypass the shield. I should know given I would have liked that role from the start. As is any longterm plans I had have been completely disrupted by this. On the bright side, that should apply to mafia as well, up till they use teamwork to get around it.

TricMagic I would feel better about you if you had more to say about this alternative "Medium-ing secretly". Anything you care tell me for starters, no use keeping it in if you can't do it any more.

I normally don't care about rolefishing but it's pretty blatant here and actually even though it's really blatant I still don't care.

Medium is the level 1 ability of the Necromancer.


While constructing this post I realized that Secretdorf concerns me more than TricMagic but I'm still worried about TricMagic. I'm open to be convinced to change my vote to TricMagic, if, you know, time runs out or some other reason.

[Jim Groovester]

While constructing this post I realized that Secretdorf concerns me more than TricMagic but I'm still worried about TricMagic. I'm open to be convinced to change my vote to TricMagic, if, you know, time runs out or some other reason.

How do you not see the Tric case? He's an NPC bot doing random things, spreading chaos. This is only good for scum.
I'd love to lynch scum instead of an NPC bot. But a policy vote against someone for being absent, as he apologizes for his absence with a question to help bring him fully up-to-speed, doesn't strike me as working towards a town victory.

It's actually even worse, since if he's scum then he's a scum-controlled remote controlled NPC bot.

You know, Jim, eliminating potentially scum-piloted remote-controlled NPC bots is a pretty good reason.

I'll have to think about this. Secretdorf seems more scummy to me and I feel like I've regretted compromising on my top lynch choice in the past.

[juicebox]

Juicebox, Fallacy is in Texas.

Yeah, that would explain it.

[notquitethere]

notquitethere, how much time is there left in the day?

Deadline: Friday 19th Feb, 3.30PM GMT - roughly 30 hours. Hammer at 8.


Edit: never mind.

NotQuiteThere:  If a player is replacing out but sends their night picks in ahead of time, will you use those pre-sent picks?

Yes, just as I use their pre-sent votes.

[notquitethere]

Bloodless Town Victory

The ponzi shield scheme started underway. The guildsmen pooled their savings to buy the first shipment from a Sinuan armoury. The Surveyors Guild were given the cash, as they were the ones to inspect incoming goods. Unfortunately for everyone else, the Surveyor's guild were also rotten to the core. This pack of thieves had planned to disrupt and murder the rest of the council at the convocation, but when an opportunity is handed to you, why let it go? So instead, the three took the kitty for the shield scheme and left the rest of the convocation bankrupt. Last anyone heard, they were heading out west to the Hex frontiers to spend their winnings in the Poult casinos.

Egan, Tric and mightymushroom were scum and they concede.

Spoiler: Starting Roles (click to show/hide)

Caz

Veteran Swordsbird
Species: Vulture (Your first flaw has no effect on you. All your actions have the [VILE] tag.)
Professions: Duelist 2
Flaws: Magnetic (Ignored)
Abilities:
1 - Challenge [VILE][TWISTY] (redirect the target's target to you- if your target is using an ability with two targets, you become the second target)
2 - Block [VILE](the target's action will fail, but they won't know why)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

The game begins with a no-kill N0, please PM me any action you would like to take.

Toonyman

Doctor Lovebug
Species: Beetleswarm (When you die you leave 1d100 corpses. Resurrecting one resurrects all to reform the swarm. All [CORPSE] actions other than Resurrect have a 50% chance to resurrect you.)
Professions: Doctor 2
Flaws: Lover (Vector)
Abilities:
1 - Cleanse (remove poison and infection, and blocks flower effects)
2 - Protect (prevent blocks and [KILL] actions from affecting your target)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

TricMagic

Scavenger Surveyor
Species: Vulture (Your first flaw has no effect on you. All your actions have the [VILE] tag.)
Professions: Thief 1, Surveyor 1
Flaws: Blatant (ignored)
Abilities:
1. False Documents [VILE][UNTARGETED] (Name an ability: your False Documents now appear as that ability, with its tags, in all inspection results until the next time you use False Documents.)
1. Check Papers [VILE](Learn the species of your target)

You are mafia. You win when all town players are dead or the town cannot win. You have a shared quicktopic.

FallacyofUrist

Feathered Medium
Species: Parakeetkin
Professions: Necromancer 1
Abilities:
1 - Medium [CORPSE] (open a chat with one dead player)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead. You have a private quicktopic with other parakeetkin.

Vector
Tropical Outcast
Species: Parakeetkin
Professions: Thief 1   Fool 1
Flaws: Pariah (You have no vote)
Abilities:
1. False Documents [UNTARGETED] (Name an ability: your False Documents now appear as that ability, with its tags, in all inspection results until the next time you use False Documents.)
1 - Randomise [TWISTY] (Randomises the target of actions the target takes)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead. You have a private quicktopic with other parakeetkin.

Luckyowl

Missing Hermit
Species: Pellucid Llama (You don't show up up in the action reports of [ENLIGHTENING] abilities.)
Professions: Monk 1
Abilities:
1 - Atone (remove Curse)
You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

Secretdorf

Beetle Palmist
Species: Beetleswarm (When you die you leave 1d100 corpses. Resurrecting one resurrects all to reform the swarm. All [CORPSE] actions other than Resurrect have a 50% chance to resurrect you.)
Professions: Witch 1
Abilities:
1 - Read Palm (learn one random tag of one random ability of your target)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

mightymushroom

Bent Sapling
Species: Ent - ([TWISTY] powers can never redirect your actions.)
Professions: Thief 2
Flaws:     (you may only use [VILE] and [DEADLY] abilities if you have [VILE] or [DEADLY] abilities; if you choose not to act in a phase in which you could have used a one such ability, you will randomly target someone with a random [VILE] or [DEADLY] ability that you have.)
Abilities:
1. False Documents [UNTARGETED] (Name an ability: your False Documents now appear as that ability, with its tags, in all inspection results until the next time you use False Documents.)
2. Stakeout [ENLIGHTENING][UNTARGETED] (name a profession: you will gain a list of all people targeted by members of this profession, though you won't know who targeted whom.)

You are mafia. You win when all town players are dead or the town cannot win. You have a shared quicktopic.

juicebox


Fate Weaver
Species: Spider (You cannot be killed by [TRAP] abilities.)
Professions: Necromancer 1
Abilities:
1 - Medium [CORPSE] (open a chat with one dead player)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

Egan_BW

High Percher
Species: Parakeetkin
Professions: Surveyor 2
Flaws: Afflicted (at the end of each night, you gain 1 additional flaw)
Abilities:
1 - Check Papers (Learn the species of your target)
2 - Poll [UNTARGETED] (Receive a random list of half of all Profession names in play)

You are mafia. You win when all town players are dead or the town cannot win. You have a shared quicktopic.

You have a private quicktopic with other parakeetkin.

Nirur Torir

Beaked Gossiper
Species: Parakeetkin
Professions: Assassin 1
Abilities:
1 - Frame [VILE] [UNTARGETED] (name an actor and a victim: at the end of the next day a fake [PUBLIC] action report will appear saying the actor acted against the target)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead. You have a private quicktopic with other parakeetkin.

Webadict

Stampeding Deathmage
Species: Impossibull (1d10 flaw roll)
Professions: Necromancer 2
Flaw: Magnetic (50% chance to self-target)
Abilities:
1 - Medium [CORPSE] (open a chat with one dead player)
2 - Channel [CORPSE] (Use the ability of one dead player)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

Jim Groovester

Doctor Rocker
Species: Troll (Cannot die from poison or infection, though you can still spread infection. [CORPSE] actions don't work on your corpse.)
Professions: Doctor 2
Flaw: Hazy (Each cycle you will be incapable of targeting one player, chosen randomly.)
Abilities:
1 - Cleanse (remove poison and infection, and blocks flower effects)
2 - Protect (prevent blocks and [KILL] actions from affecting your target)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

N0 you cannot target: Webadict

Toaster

Sylph Beetle
Species: Beetleswarm (When you die you leave 1d100 corpses. Resurrecting one resurrects all to reform the swarm. All [CORPSE] actions other than Resurrect have a 50% chance to resurrect you.)
Professions: Necromancer 1, Flowermaiden 1
Flaws: Lender (each cycle, one of your non-mafiakill abilities is gifted as a one-shot to a random player, disabling its use for you.)
Abilities:
1 - Medium [CORPSE] (open a chat with one dead player)
1 - Buttercup (learn whether your target has any [VILE], [TWISTY] or [WARPING] abilities; though you don't learn which or how many.)

You are town. You win when all mafia players are dead.

This cycle your Medium is lent out to someone.

Spoiler: N0 Actions (click to show/hide)

Caz   Block Nirur   No PM   
Toony   Cleanse Vector   No PM   
TricMagic   Falsify False Documents as Medium   OK   
Fallacy   No Action   No PM   
Vector   Falsify Randomize as Atone   No PM   
Luckyowl   No Action   No PM   
Secretdorf   Read Toony's Palm   "None"   
mightymushroom   Stakeout Flowermaidens   Vector   
juicebox   No action   No PM   
Egan_BW   Poll   See below   
Nirur Torir   No action   Was blocked anyway   
Webadict   Do nothing   No PM   
Jim Groovester   Cleanse Toaster   No PM   
Toaster   Buttercup Vector   "No"   Loses Medium again, this time to: Caz

Poll:
1. Duelist
2. Fool
3. Monk
4. Necromancer
5. Surveyor
6. Necromancer
7. Necromancer
8. Surveyor
9. Doctor

If I run this format again I'm either scrapping shields or not making them confirmable. This was originally perfectly winnable by scum, but the team suffered a rout from morale failure.

[Jim Groovester]

:|

[ToonyMan]

Dude.

[Caz]

 

[Secretdorf]