Okay. New plan of attack. Evaluating
everyone individually in total depth would take too much time, at least if I want to be thorough.
What I'm going to do is take TricMagic, that wonderful, divisive character. And just split everyone into groups based on their reaction to him.
Let's take three groups. Technically we could argue there's four, but two of them fit together in associative purposes, I think.
To some people, Tric is trustworthy / town.
To others, Tric is untrustworthy / scum or third party.
Finally, some people haven't interacted with, or don't care about, Tric.
Let's begin.
Who trusts TricMagic?
Knightwing says he tends to trust Tric. I think that means he thinks he's town. Or just doesn't care enough to dig deeper into it.
Knightwing64, EuchreJack: Are you sure the people you are following are your benevolent shepards? Or, are they wolves in shephards clothing leading you to your doom? Also, how did you come to this conclusion?
Generally I make it a rule to trust Tric, which normally bites me in the ass, but sometimes has good results.
Tric is king hat man
He noice
I respec
ToonyMan thinks Tric is being a greedy dragon, which fits his meta in Toony's eyes.
Why do you think Tric is town?
Initially, it's because of his first post since it implies he's not mafia if he's telling the truth unless Web is being a weirdo. If you don't want to accept that as an argument then fine that's understandable. Having looked at his play in the game so far I've observed the following: He selfishly wants to gobble hats and is goading the mafia to try to kill him which is extremely in-character for him as town or third-party, he's done this numerous times (like the previous BYOR15 even). I really don't believe he's mafia here. It's a bad vote.
Fluffe doesn't think webadict would make a role that buffs everyone, be scum.
But anyway, who do you think is scum right now, and who do you think is town? Why?
Oh hey a question I love those! Anyway as far as town goes the only person im like almost certain on of at least not being mafia is Tric their role and general abilities are just too out there for me to think webadict would make a mafia that public having a mafia that gives buffs to (presumably) everyone would be a bit strange as well. In my eyes they are either some type of neutral third party or town.
Maximum Spin thinks TricMagic is perfection.
Look, we're here playing the game of mafia, and part of the game of mafia is appearing town in a way that convinces the other players. The fact that Tric's way of doing so is a little different doesn't mean it doesn't work. In fact, it may shock and horrify you, but Tric sometimes even catches scum, even, once in a while, when nobody else did! There is absolutely no requirement in the rules of mafia that everyone play in lockstep. It's not connect four or tic tac toe, there's no single proven solution. For example, I have my own way of playing that's different from many others, which sometimes upsets people who think everyone should be playing the same, but it also works and I've managed to come to a point of gelling pretty well with enough other players to keep making it work. TricMagic's no different. This is the ideal TricMagic. You may not like it, but this is what peak performance looks like.
EuchreJack likes Tric for whatever reason, but might reevaluate later?
My too-busy-to-read-well reads:
I like Tric & Max
Therefore, I don't like Fallacy, since he seems to be pushing shitty reasons.
I don't plan on playing shitty just to prove that I am town. I kinda need to break that habit.
Jim Groovester is... vehemently protective of Tric despite claiming Tric's a third party?
Going to try to keep this brief by posting reads and thoughts about players rather than a gigantic wall of text with a million little quotes.
SUSPICIOUS
FallacyofUrist - his read on TricMagic is amongst the worst I've ever seen. I'd feel pretty confident hammering FallacyofUrist this early in the day if he were within range
100% NOT MAFIA
TricMagic - easiest read in the game; given how much he's asserting 'not mafia' instead of 'town' he's probably a third party though and it would be safer to shoot him, but not now
Jim: You and I have extremely different views of FoU. Why do you think FoU is scum? I doubt it's only FoU's stance on Tric, despite that being the only thing you said when you voted him.
It literally is only about his stance on TricMagic. FallacyofUrist has been around and should recognize that this is 100% unteamed TricMagic, yet he suspects him.
Why suspect TricMagic? Dunno. I think it's an easy read that town FallacyofUrist should easily be capable of.
Who doesn't trust TricMagic?
Lenglon thinks TricMagic is a third party.
Tric: you do make a valid point... if we cared about finding 3p. If I wanted to lynch a 3p I'd have pushed you long ago for being Hat Tyrant. I want to lynch mafia. So why should I even care if Toaster might be 3p? The thing I care about is are they maf, and independence says they aren't maf. Done.
juicebox also thinks TricMagic is third party.
I agree that Tric probably is not mafia. Still kinda want to lynch him though, even third party Tric is enough to wreck a game
Toaster thinks Tric is useless and active lurking.
TricMagic.
So far, he has gone nuts posting about hats. Besides hatting up the place we have:
Briefly we see a flash of analysis
His refusal to state his alignment, which I find suspicious.
Other than that, it's the hat bonanza party hour. I realize Tric's play can be weird, but no one responded to that. As such, Tric has not actually done anything useful, but he's made a lot of noise. I'm quite happy voting him.
Egan thinks Tric is the hat tyrant.
Why do you think Tric isn't Mafia? More importantly, who is?
Tric isn't mafia because he's a hat tyrant and the hat tyrant wins alone.
The more important question will require more effort than I have available at the moment. Was considering Leng but she posted a tasty readslist and I love to see those...
Who doesn't care about TricMagic?
A_Curious_Cat is too busy being new to have an opinion on TricMagic just yet.
hector13 appears to be still thinking through his position on Tric. He's focused on EuchreJack.
PPE: so… Tric appears to be claiming town? Not wanting to take KW’s hat because they appear town. Acting like a TP though.
Would it be so bad for Tric to exit the game because they’ve won when they get enough hats..?
Tric what’s your alignment?
notquitethere appears to be avoiding making alignment-based points about Tric. Kinda suspicious honestly.
Tric has claimed to be stealing hats. I dunno how many action points the mafia kill takes up (3 I guess?) but chances are good that if he's confirming his actions through hat theft, then at least we can be reasonably sure he's not murdering folk. Low priority elimination.
Re: Tric, I think it's fine for players to have different styles, it only becomes a problem when this is cause to drop all suspicion or when players decide not to engage with them to avoid the headache.
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