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[Imp]

Right now, to this newbie's eyes and evaluation, we lynch the Esteemed Secretdorf today, or we lose.  This looks like direct, nearly unstoppable goal seeking behavior from capable scum who think they are one move from winning.

[sofanthiel]

is it your preference to simply make sure we lynch you instead of a more important other person first?

More important?  Than me?!  Imp, your remarks are most humorous!

[The Canadian kitten]

Too tired and busy, hopefully no hammer happens that cuts off discussion
Unvote

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
------------------------
-> sofanthiel       --3-- hector13*, Maximum Spin*, Secretdorf*,
Secretdorf          --1-- Imp*,
BlackHeartKabal     --0--
Elephant Parade     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --9-- BlackHeartKabal, Elephant Parade, Jim Groovester, Jim Groovester, Jim Groovester, Lenglon, sofanthiel, The Canadian kitten*, ToonyMan,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on December 27, 2023 at 12:05 Central Standard Time (~53 hours remaining).

[Imp]

Vote Count
------------------------
-> sofanthiel       --3-- hector13*, Maximum Spin*, Secretdorf*,
Secretdorf          --1-- Imp*,
BlackHeartKabal     --0--
Elephant Parade     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --9-- BlackHeartKabal, Elephant Parade, Jim Groovester, Jim Groovester, Jim Groovester, Lenglon, sofanthiel, The Canadian kitten*, ToonyMan,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on December 27, 2023 at 12:05 Central Standard Time (~53 hours remaining).

the extra and lost votes thing from D3 OP and the Esteemed Mamobo are not in agreement.  I wonder if whoever cares will fix that, but here is what our day started with:

BlackHeartKabal (0):
Elephant Parade (0):
hector13 (0):
Imp (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
Lenglon (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
notquitethere (0):
Secretdorf (0):
sofanthiel (0):
The Canadian kitten (0):
ToonyMan (0):

No Execution (0):

7 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (13):  BlackHeartKabal, Elephant Parade, hector13, Imp, Jim Groovester, Lenglon, Maximum Spin, notquitethere, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, Secretdorf, The Canadian kitten, ToonyMan

I do believe this is the accurate current votecount:

sofanthiel (3): hector13, Jim Groovester, Secretdorf,
BlackHeartKabal (2): notquitethere, Secretdorf,
Secretdorf (1): Imp,
Elephant Parade (0):
hector13 (0):
Imp (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
Lenglon (0):
Maximum Spin (0):
notquitethere (0):
The Canadian kitten (0):
ToonyMan (0):

No Execution (0):

7 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (11):  BlackHeartKabal, Elephant Parade, Lenglon, Maximum Spin, Secretdorf, The Canadian kitten, ToonyMan

[Jim Groovester]

Merry Christmas, everyone.

Who did you bus yourself with at least?

If you're not interested in talking then I'm not really interested in it either.

We'll see about that... hahaha.

:|

[Mamobo]

Vote Count
------------------------
-> sofanthiel       --5-- hector13*, Maximum Spin*, Secretdorf*, Secretdorf*, Secretdorf*,
BlackHeartKabal     --1-- notquitethere*,
Secretdorf          --1-- Imp*,
Elephant Parade     --0--
hector13            --0--
Imp                 --0--
Jim Groovester      --0--
Lenglon             --0--
Maximum Spin        --0--
notquitethere       --0--
The Canadian kitten --0--
ToonyMan            --0--
No One              --0--

Not Voting          --6-- BlackHeartKabal, Elephant Parade, Jim Groovester, Lenglon, The Canadian kitten*, ToonyMan,

7 to Hammer. Day ends on December 27, 2023 at 12:05 Central Standard Time (~50 hours remaining).

[webadict]

NOTE:  Fallacy doesn't do single vote as multiple votes (even though they should), so Mamobo is technically wrong here and I'm not gonna fix it, fuck you, code your own vote bot if it bothers you.

[Imp]

NOTE:  Fallacy doesn't do single vote as multiple votes (even though they should), so Mamobo is technically wrong here and I'm not gonna fix it, fuck you, code your own vote bot if it bothers you.

Interesting.  For all my comment perhaps should be struck from the record, for who talks to ghosts, I wonder if any of us actually should tell a game moderator how they 'should' run their game.  The rest, if there is any rest, can be discussed later, but I choose to calmly and kindly ensure that the mod is as well treated as any other of us, and defended appropriately when not handled nicely.

[Secretdorf]

Unvote Unvote

I was expecting you to fakeclaim or something. But you're too smart for that apparently.

I have a theory that the Esteemed Secretdorf and friends are scum and working very hard to get the extra votes they need to win.  I think the Esteemed Sofanthiel is very willingly helping ensure this, and that the banishing may be part of it - if not, it's being gleefully used.

Would more experienced and capable players please get involved in an effective and useful way to help sort this out?

I stole the votes only so I could be cleared of making the nightkill by performing a confirmable night action. I did not expect 2 votes, only one. Why would Sofanthiel help us? I think what Sofanthiel's doing here is called scumclaiming. He probably has a trick up his sleeve yet. Anyway I unvoted as you requested.

 Knightwing and Crystallized are likely going to be with us after end of day. Anything beyond that sounds too OP.

Interesting.  For all my comment perhaps should be struck from the record, for who talks to ghosts, I wonder if any of us actually should tell a game moderator how they 'should' run their game.  The rest, if there is any rest, can be discussed later, but I choose to calmly and kindly ensure that the mod is as well treated as any other of us, and defended appropriately when not handled nicely.

Huh who're you talking to? I don't see no one.

[Imp]

Anyway I unvoted as you requested.

Observed.  Thanks for playing nicer in that way at this time.

I think what Sofanthiel's doing here is called scumclaiming. He probably has a trick up his sleeve yet.

What are your thoughts about this trick, what's its purpose and what should we do about it?

[Secretdorf]

Well I don't even know if there is a trick in the first place, I just noted that as a worst case scenario. Maybe he has two lives. Maybe he can kill somebody voting for him. Actually these two sound much more unlikely when I say them out aloud. Let's just see what BHK has to say and if there's something else somebody wanna say, and then go ahead with the lynch. Whatever tricks he might have, the lynch's the safest method.

[Imp]

Well I don't even know if there is a trick in the first place, I just noted that as a worst case scenario. Maybe he has two lives. Maybe he can kill somebody voting for him. Actually these two sound much more unlikely when I say them out aloud. Let's just see what BHK has to say and if there's something else somebody wanna say, and then go ahead with the lynch. Whatever tricks he might have, the lynch's the safest method.

Do I understand correctly, you are saying we should lynch someone who is refusing to cooperate and seems to be trying to be lynched, but you don't seem to feel there's any need or reason to explore deeper here?

[Secretdorf]

If I understand correctly, Sofanthiel thinks there's no hope of getting out of this situation as Canadian Kitten did catch him red handed so sof's just playing around with us making sure he doesn't give us any valuable information and also messing with our heads. Do you have a better explanation?

[Imp]

Do you have a better explanation?

I'm not sure yet.  If you thought your game-life depended on how you scumhunted and interacted with others today, how would you handle yourself, what would you do?