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[Krr1ss]

There is no resolution to the third person who contacted Urist, and whoever blocked NQT, right?

Many people having immunity to getting investigated only for the investigative powers to be immune to the aforementioned immunity would make a hilarious joke.

I also been seen Tric in some town light now, as Magma I believe asked before; yes I was mainly scum reading them because of how scary they looked. I was fully expecting them to us the day to take over the thread and especially try pushing me or vern. But they have been surprisingly understanding and organised. I do like that they accepted town having different opinions and play styles.
I wish I could confidently townread them, because the content they post is very much towny. Same goes for Imp too, she has really taken things much more seriously.

If we end up executing a town today, we will start the next day with 10 players. Which is fine if we assume only 2 mafia but we are in peril if there are 3.

Assuming worst case scenario:

Day 3: 7 towns vs 3 mafia
Day 4: 5 towns vs 3 mafia
Day 5: 3 town vs 3 mafia


And that is assuming we don't have any neutrals in this game. We really should be treating this game as if we only have 2 days left to catch all mafia.

Too many assumptions. Pregame, I asked Fallacy about mafia number and he told me that there was a 12player game with 5 scum iirc. So uhh, don't rely so much on normal assumptions here

[Agentt]

One thing I was really trying to do this game was find pairs of suspicious people. Like sure we can find X and Y who are suspicious individually, but what about pairs which are suspicious together;

Basically, if we assume something like, Magma is mafia, next question should pop up who could be their partner? Who do they just have such a convenient relationship with.

I don't know if Kriss x NQT are two people who are just focused on each other too much or just people pretending to be busy.

[TricMagic]

Kr1ss remains town theatre. Which is a bit better than null theater they were wobbling in. Toaster's posts have been good the few times they've shown up. I would like to play Monster Hunter today but probably not happening.

Nothing Magma's done has really helped their case this game. I don't know why they trust Toony so much, for example. And Magma's been lying a lot. This is the type of MY ROLE I go on about. I haven't this game, but that's mostly cause I revealed it to theater. If Mafia is in there I'm probably not going to die, and I'm probably going to die. So really might as well just trust the core even if it's unconfirmed.

[Agentt]

There is no resolution to the third person who contacted Urist, and whoever blocked NQT, right?

Many people having immunity to getting investigated only for the investigative powers to be immune to the aforementioned immunity would make a hilarious joke.

I also been seen Tric in some town light now, as Magma I believe asked before; yes I was mainly scum reading them because of how scary they looked. I was fully expecting them to us the day to take over the thread and especially try pushing me or vern. But they have been surprisingly understanding and organised. I do like that they accepted town having different opinions and play styles.
I wish I could confidently townread them, because the content they post is very much towny. Same goes for Imp too, she has really taken things much more seriously.

If we end up executing a town today, we will start the next day with 10 players. Which is fine if we assume only 2 mafia but we are in peril if there are 3.

Assuming worst case scenario:

Day 3: 7 towns vs 3 mafia
Day 4: 5 towns vs 3 mafia
Day 5: 3 town vs 3 mafia


And that is assuming we don't have any neutrals in this game. We really should be treating this game as if we only have 2 days left to catch all mafia.

Too many assumptions. Pregame, I asked Fallacy about mafia number and he told me that there was a 12player game with 5 scum iirc. So uhh, don't rely so much on normal assumptions here

I don't think we can have a 5 scum team?
That would mean game ends like...tomorrow or something if neutrals are in play.
Though aye, we can't rely on normal assumptions, but we can still gauge the power levels.

[Agentt]

Toaster, ah, they do remind me a lot of myself; which makes me a lil jealous...I feel like we only have room for one character whose entire personality is about they don't know what they are doing.


But vibes do feel good from them.

[Agentt]

I went through all Toaster's posts; and I can say they are never paired with NQT. Infact if Toaster flips town, i am kinda comfortable following their read lists.



i am so sleepy now

[Krr1ss]

I'll start casing people now. Toony seems like a good start and so I'll do him first. Expect cases to be loooooooooooong.
Toony Case:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Agentt is town.

Nobody inspect me or bad things happen.

I could go for a tuna sandwich.

Okay so, Agentt is town why? From what I know, Agentt barely made a couple posts, half of which were fluff (non-game related content) and the other half was "I'm bad, this person is scary, that person is bloodthirty, why did you do that?"

Certainly not enough to confidently say this. Another thing is, "nobody inspect me or bad things happen." way too defensive and frankly useless without much help for the start of the game. Reminds me of Urist's claim. If there's something, it's that you said this after him.

I don't remember this being brought up again and if it is, I'll find it now, but this really feels like low-effort scum trying not to get cop checked.

1. Towning too easily.
2. No explanation "if you check me you will suffer"

Krr1ss feels like town too.

@Jack:
Don't destroy my hat.

@Tric:
I can read Agentt like a carefully folded newspaper. New players give away everything before me.

Also you're wrong about NQT.

We are new players on the forum, how can you even guess our alignments so easily? Especially since our playstyles are different. People still have trouble getting a hang of me due to playstyle clash and you easily guessed mine and Agentt's? We also both have different playstyles despite having same home forum.

That Jack mention feels forced. Out of 14 people present, as town, you should assume that no one would care enough to destroy your hat. The emoji also feels weird in a way, as if it's meant to be unserious post, which definitely fits scum talking to scum as theater.

Good for you for Agentt read ig? Still feels a bit forced but fine.

NQT line feels TMIish. You didn't say "You are right, let's push", nor did you say "I don't know man" but "You aren't wrong". This sentence, at least to me, is usually told when you know more than the other and as a teaching way in order to push them in a certain direction. It's reminding me of "interesting" scum tell, a tell that is meant to show how scum creates discord among town without outright saying things and implicating themselves. In another context, it can be a bussing tactic too, and I can't determine which one it is, but it feels scummy, that's for sure.

I'm not reading every word in this thread.

Imp feels town too.

Why you die Vermilion? Imp says Vermilion is town. I can believe that.

Don't care about Magma's bus claim, not alignment indicative. Are their suspicions of Canadian Cat correct? I'm inclined to say no I must see more of the kitty.

What about Jack? And Jim? I feel Jack is better of the two because Jim has done nothing so far. I feel overwhelmed. It's a lot of players to try to understand...

Tric...are you a bad guy? You'd tell me to my face, wouldn't you?

1. Lack of interest in the thread. Doesn't fit my "detective toony" persona that I imagined with how others described town you.
2. Shouldn't Imp always feel town? Her playstyle is literally pro-town as every alignment? Way too easy of a read, no?
3. Verm town too? Wow, everyone is town. It's not even your own read and yet you easily bought it with 0 care.
4. You literally made a similar claim. How come his is not alignment indicative? Shouldn't you gain at least somewhat of a positive impression since you did the same?
5. No to cat suspicions while leaving room for more feels just like scum fishing for town opinion in order to sheep what's best.
6. Jim done nothing = Jim not bad but worse. Clustering at it's finest.
Clustering is when you mention multiple suspects and put one or two of your teammates in there so when the time comes it's "See? I told ya." but you don't actually push for them.
I won't even comment Tric question.

Oh there's a mason chat, I didn't catch that the first time. I bet one player is scum between Tric, Vermilion, Cat, and Agentt.

Magma makes my brain feel good I hope they are town so they can carry.

Magma make me feel Jack bad. Magma make me feel Crystal bad. Magma don't really make me feel Cat bad.

Jim feel good now they post. Jim probably desire hats. Me hat- I mean my hat implies things but I don't want to add unnecessary details to clutter the thread when it doesn't mean these threats actually exist.

Toastercultist make big newbie post. They big newb but are they evil like Tric and Jack? Me no thinks.

"Oh there's mason chat, I didn't catch that first time." not as surprised as I'd expect him to sound.

Honestly, I don't know what to make of Magma comments. Would appreciate someone filling in on this. Sheeping on Jack bad despite saying they are good earlier? Why Crystal when Magma explained nothing of that read? Again, defensive of town (cat).

I do note however, that Toony pushed Jim down and then picked him back up but not without pushing him somewhat down (hats) again.

I'm gonna try to put all my reads down in a coherent list later today when I'm not busy. Maybe I'll vote a bad guy too.

I forgot what was the thread like at the time but I bet it was something like 1. Cat 2. Sal for elimination list. Both of which are conf!town (confirmed town)
This feels TMI-ish in the sense like he knew that the bad guy was not being voted and so he may decided to do it (buss).

Then there's the readlist which was half focused on hats as if hats were the real enemy in his mind. There's also this line:
I probably vote Jack the most right now. Tric probably isn't a good vote either from my instincts, I think. despite making Tric the most scum read person. Why is that? I am also sure that Tric was much more involved in the game and so his flip would reveal much more info.

Crystal - I don't like them voting S.Monday for their posting style I did the same thing, how come I was townread.

Jim - I like this post. I feel similarly to Jim in most areas (and most importantly I think his read on me being as interested as him in the game is very on point) so probably good dude. Chance of going for hat win = 69.69% This, I think, is the only read you bothered explaining the most. It's the longest text, and you even went as far as to link a post. Adding in the unseriousness of 69.69% I think that you may be a bit focused on Jim. Also, usually, scum are almost 100% likely to put one of their partners in NULL which you did.

Well, Toony made their line clear enough.

Toony Toony I just used the hat. Don't blame the player blame the game. If I was going for Hat Victory don't you think I would have saved it to Hatlo?

Yeah, you're right Tric. You don't want the hats, do you?

Wait, Toony has a post restriction too?  Or who else besides Sal?

I don't have a post restriction, I'm just having fun.

I'm not kidding about the inspection thing though, it's bad for my health.

@Crystal:
I think you're right about Tric. I don't think he's an enemy probably.

The Canadian kitten has requested a replacement.

lol

welp

Confidence in reads higher than Eiffel tower. Stick to them a bit at least. Also funny since Crystal was your second or third most scum read.

I've made your favourite points, but you are town-reading the guy I'm making points about. What's the deal with that?

Cat is a good guy, I think they're misunderstood here.

I don't agree with all of Jim's points either and Jim has my second favorite points! For example, they didn't like Spontaneous Monday which I disagree with.

Also, Magma, you are a cat yourself, isn't that a little hypocritical to vote your Canadian brother?

"Cat is a good guy" too confident. Feels contradictory with earlier low confidence in reads. Bit TMI-ish.

Again Jim focus.

And throwing shade at magma without saying much? Or is that a joke?

Okay, I went through only a bit of day1 posts and those are some reasons I found Toony scum but I think that I am starting to have fever and that it might be better if I stop at least for a couple hours hahah.

[TricMagic]

Thinking on it, if Magma has 4 votes, the next person would need 6 by their metric for a tie. Normally that would be 1 away from a hammer since 7 were needed at day start. Which doesn't seem right to me. It messes with the voting system way too much. Why disrupt town so much, why put forth something that makes town curious if you're lying while keeping mafia from touching you? And why use an ability while lying so much?

Lynch All Liars exists for a reason you know?

[Krr1ss]

Thinking on it, if Magma has 4 votes, the next person would need 6 by their metric for a tie. Normally that would be 1 away from a hammer since 7 were needed at day start. Which doesn't seem right to me. It messes with the voting system way too much. Why disrupt town so much, why put forth something that makes town curious if you're lying while keeping mafia from touching you? And why use an ability while lying so much?

Lynch All Liars exists for a reason you know?

Knowing Urist, it's possible that he went into this game with a specific "troll" plan which may not be alignment indicative at all but is fun to mention.

For example, I remember him mentioning how he want on a Championship game and literally copy pasted posts from previous year's championship and got NK N1 somehow.

[TricMagic]

Urist is Magma right? Not our host FallacyofUrist?

[Krr1ss]

Urist is Magma right? Not our host FallacyofUrist?

Yeah

[Magma Mater]

Magma, a reminder that This Exists. You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to post content.

I do not add a red vote purely to let people discuss. But it's coming tomorrow.

The fuck are you even talking about, I've been posting all day.

Do you want me to get the wall out and hit you with it?

... Next posts are an admission of guilt, random "Solve", and you leaving.

Spoiler: Day 1 of Day 2: Magma Side (click to show/hide)

Poor Salvatore. We hardly knew ye.

Although really, we have nobody to blame for that than yourself.

Kill means the scumteam probably has at least one person who was in the last game. Certainly it isn't Krr1ss / Agentt / toaster (although we probably knew that already).

Jim Groovester for reasons already stated.

Who knows abything about street fighter?
This is a somewhat important question.

I know that Shoryuken exists?

Poor Salvatore. We hardly knew ye.

Although really, we have nobody to blame for that than yourself.

Kill means the scumteam probably has at least one person who was in the last game. Certainly it isn't Krr1ss / Agentt / toaster (although we probably knew that already).

Jim Groovester for reasons already stated.

Who knows abything about street fighter?
This is a somewhat important question.

I know that Shoryuken exists?

Elaborate o.o)?

OGI lol

Agentt you're gonna have to step it up a notch today. Vote for somebody please. Reread a bit if you need to.

Agentt you're gonna have to step it up a notch today. Vote for somebody please. Reread a bit if you need to.

You are gonna hate me for this bro

Magma Mater

I do have to reread though.

The vote on you is just what the theatre chat decided.

Image featuring my awesome hat

Jokes aside I'd like to know whether you actually contributed anything to that discussion or whether you're vomiting someone else's terrible opinion.

JIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIM
Jokes aside, my top suspicion is magma. Krr1ss I have too much residual goodwill, Toony and Euchre seems to be doing it as a policy elim, sal is dead, magma seems to be the only one who actually believed in the cause.

Okay what am I missing here? why does everyone hate Magma except me?

Was wrong about Canadiab Kitten is what my answer boild down to. Forefront of a miselim of a player that couldnt defend themself.

This isn't your first mafia game. You can't seriously be telling me that you think it's scummy to be wrong.

I'm going to sleep soon, so I need to mention that I used an ability last night that lowers the number of votes required to lynch me today by two. I'd appreciate it if y'all took it easy with the votes and try not to accidentally kill me while I'm sleeping.

Taking into account the meta other people are throwing down on Jim, I'll leave that alone for now. It's possible that he's just town (although I still don't like how he was referring to Canadian kitten as a mislynch yesterday).

Crystalizedmire is mafia though. This push on me is awful.

In this section there are only two arguable. But you expect us to look back to your last post on Day 1.

Jim complaining about the lynch options while not voting for anyone is suuuuper scummy btw.

Jim complaining about the lynch options while not voting for anyone is suuuuper scummy btw.

Right now I'd take Jim over any others.  If enough of us are here and willing to switch?

He's my second highest scumread.  We have like 4 minutes?  Enough people watching and want to, agree?

Nah.
Jim not voting for Crystalizedmire here is borderline outing them as a team though.

As a question, if you thought Jim was so scummy, why not vote?

Town reads:
Imp
VermilionSkies
Krr1ss
ToonyMan
TricMagic
EuchreJack

Fewer town reads than I'd like but I'm finding it difficult to get reads on the remaining players (who I don't scum-read).

I'm not sure what standards you hold when 6 out of 14 players are townread. Notably your latest post of Jim/Crystal/Jack being scum doesn't change much? Hmm...

Magma, you call Jack scum purely because he took your hat. That doesn't line up. He said he was going to take and destroy a hat day 1.
Jack doesn't have enough posts to think otherwise from your twon reads. Yet they don't seem to have changed. If you flip scum your partner is within the list. Funny that you stuck all the remaining theater kids on here.

Spoiler: Rapid Fire Quotes, Day 2 of Day 2 (click to show/hide)

I was also messed with. My action failed, which was probably due to someone's interference.

Vermillion, Toastercultist, why am I voting you?

NQT still has his native doublevote I see.

Unvote

I'm going to sleep soon, so I need to mention that I used an ability last night that lowers the number of votes required to lynch me today by two. I'd appreciate it if y'all took it easy with the votes and try not to accidentally kill me while I'm sleeping.

Magma, why did you say you take two less to vote today? Theater can literally hammer you and I just woke up. The reference to being lynched while asleep is definitely me as town usually. That's twice you've put forth an ability to "protect" you to keep town from interacting with you. Only this case it's to end discussion?

I said it because it's true and I don't want to die if all of the neighborhood planned on voting for me. I take two FEWER votes to lynch today. I'm not shutting down discussion, I'm just saying I don't want to be accidentally hammered. I don't really have a choice but to claim it, do I?

Speaking of, Trik, Agentt, Verm what was your night chat about? I'd love details. Also glad we solved early on whether it was an ability

Mmn
We kinda just talked about who to vote today, and who to use our powers on.

I believe Tric has the same reason to sus Magma as Crystal mentioned, that we killed a member of town who wasn't even able to defend themselves.

One of my ability is to roleblock a person outside of the theatre if they are targeting the theatre

That last bit was something I never noticed so...

But orz, I targeted Magma with it.

I didn't target anyone but you were probably redirected. Bit weird for you to target me with that considering you thought I was town and I claimed that you'd be redirected if you targeted me.

Yes, I am a Hated Townie. I am hammered at 6 today (7, +1 due to Bloody Sunglasses, -2 due to my action).

Yes, I am a Hated Townie. I am hammered at 6 today (7, +1 due to Bloody Sunglasses, -2 due to my action).

Crystal, Magma, Imp, What do you think about Toony?

He's probably not mafia.

Yes, I am a Hated Townie. I am hammered at 6 today (7, +1 due to Bloody Sunglasses, -2 due to my action).

It is deadly dangerous, game messing up, to have a hidden vote mechanic like that.

Have you talked to FoU about why this does not show in the votecount, why it relies on you to claim it?

Does it make sense to you why this is set up like it?

Double voters are not secret or silent, they show in the votecounts.  The number of votes on folks is also very visible.  We are told the number to hammer.

It would SUCK for us to have 5/6 votes suddenly be a hammer.  And you didn't even open as your first post with the claim that you set this up.  You were under pressure before you claimed it.

I don't understand your thinking presuming this is honest.

I wasn't going to claim it if I wasn't under pressure. If I was a consensus town read who wasn't getting any votes then I'd keep using the ability every night, even in lylo LOL. If the scum didn't know about it then it couldn't be used against me.
I'm a bit disappointed that I wasn't able to do that. I might not use it again.

Regarding your other questions, it's written in my role that it won't show up in the vote count. I'd do the same thing if I designed the role myself.

Yes, I am a Hated Townie. I am hammered at 6 today (7, +1 due to Bloody Sunglasses, -2 due to my action).

Crystal, Magma, Imp, What do you think about Toony?

He's probably not mafia.

why

I have better reasons to scum read at least like 5 other people. 

Jesus NQT, you are a beast.

Another thing to apply, I believe it's called Zenon's Law. I don't even know it that's a real thing or something that one guy I played mafia with once just made up.

But Zenon's Law states that in a mis execution, if the person killed has more than 3 votes: atleast one of those votes is from a mafia.

Another thing that stuck out to me was,
Only one person died right?

That clears a few things.

We either have no vigilantes/the vigilante is one shot and doesn't have a strong scum read on anything.

And more importantly, we don't have any serial killers or like.


I do agree with NQT that the people who didn't vote yesterday could have mafia there, but that's really a could. I don't really agree with their reason though. I feel like I have only ever seen Doctors or Cops display the kind of behavior they described every town to have.

My reason is that, I have seen mafia is often lazy...it's very common for them to forget to do things. They could say they want to vote X on mafia chat and forget to do it on game thread.

I don't like that you dropped this Zenon's Law without following up and trying to apply it.

Today we need to eliminate from this pool:

Not voting: VermillionSkies, toastercultist, Jim Groovester, The Canadian kitten, Agentt

Don't believe me? Let's look at three random games from front page of the subforum. Here's Day 1 end of the last mafia game (player count 11):

Vote Count - Day One End

[...]

Not Voting (1) - NJW2000

Here's Day 1 end of Bring Your Own Monster (player count 12):

Not Voting: Crystalizedmire, Oliverz144

And here's Day 1 end of Wormwood Mafia (player count 9):

Not Voting       --1-- EuchreJack

In 2/3 cases there was a mafia player who didn't vote on day 1. (The one that didn't only had two scum players and secondary wincons.)

Mafia tend to be risk averse, they play it cautiously, they especially like to let town get on and eliminate each other without needing to interfere. They also don't have genuine suspicions. But this standoffish approach reveals itself in the vote counts. This list is not all town:

VermillionSkies
toastercultist
Jim Groovester
Agentt

When you get the chance, I'd like to see you apply yourself to the rest of the vote count. What are your thoughts on the toastercultist wagon that formed?

First off, Role Names are never indicative of alignment in these games. The Fairy Godfather can be Town. The Hated Townie can be Scum.
Second. None of these quotes can count to your town quota, as they aren't you hunting scum. It's barely participated purely to keep yourself alive and tell others to do the work for you.

Moving on.

Spoiler: Part the 3: Part 2 of Day 2 of Day 2, the First (click to show/hide)

Magma Mater (0):
TricMagic (0):
Crystalizedmire (0):
VermillionSkies (1): notquitethere
notquitethere (2): TricMagic, TricMagic
Imp (0):
Salvatore Monday (0):
toastercultist (2): notquitethere, Salvadore Monday
EuchreJack (0):
Jim Groovester (0):
ToonyMan (1): Crystalizedmire
The Canadian kitten (5): Magma Mater, Krr1ss, ToonyMan, EuchreJack, Imp
Krr1ss (0):
Agentt (0):

No Execution (0):

9 votes to hammer.

Not Voting (5): VermillionSkies, toastercultist, Jim Groovester, The Canadian kitten, Agentt

If we want a unifying theory that satisfies:
1) notquitethere's idea that there is mafia not voting at the end of the day
2) Agentt's idea that there is at least one mafia voting for The Canadian kitten
3) Krr1ss's idea that there is at least one mafia in ToonyMan, Magma Mater, Jim Groovester

It's possible that toastercultist and ToonyMan are paired. If I recall correctly, ToonyMan's vote on The Canadian kitten was pretty much the decider that got people to switch from toastercultist to The Canadian kitten. Particularly EuchreJack switched to The Canadian kitten because of ToonyMan's vote. If toastercultist is mafia, ToonyMan's chances of being mafia increase dramatically.

Caveat: if toastercultist is town, I think that ToonyMan is town. In this case, I don't think that a mafia ToonyMan switches from one townie to another, especially when the person he switched to was likely to be absent or modkilled. I wouldn't vote for ToonyMan without knowing toastercultist's alignment first.

It's really unlikely that the Street Fighter thing is related to your hat being stolen. I also received the Street Fighter video and didn't lose my hat. Not saying that Jim didn't take another action to mug you... because of course that is still possible.

It's directly related.

ToonyMan called it right. I took CM's hat and in the process sent a message featuring M. Bison so CM would know it was me.

I also targeted you and sent you a message. Which video did you receive? I sent you and CM different videos.

I expected I would be redirected or that you would be bussed with somebody and they'd get my video instead, since that's what you claimed. I wanted to test your claim and sending messages along with my actions seemed like a pretty good way to sort out where my actions actually ended up.

So, what gives?

Alright rather than lie further about my role, I'll come clean.
I'm the usurper.
Anyone who targets me with an ability will lose it, and I gain it instead. Although, I don't know what the abilities do.

I'll explain the fakeclaim. I wanted to do two things:
1) Dissuade anyone with a good town ability, such as an inspect, from targeting me and losing that ability. I feel like I achieved that since I was only targeted by three things last night, two of them being claimed.
2) Encourage mafia to target me. Basically, I wanted to make myself a honeypot, where they'd be encouraged to target me with non-lethal abilities in order to mess with the town. I'm not sure whether I achieved this, but we'll see in post-game.

I know that people are going to want to vote for me. But please think hard about the above, and consider whether I would try to AVOID be targeted if I were mafia.

[A being which has never been reveals an attribute!]

[The constellation Ghost of Nonexistence smiles and offers to chat.]

Ghost of Nonexistence: Hi!
Ghost of Nonexistence: I have no role. I have no abilities, cannot gain abilities, and cannot wear hats.
Ghost of Nonexistence: To put it simply, I do not exist.
Ghost of Nonexistence: But I do have an alignment: Town.
Ghost of Nonexistence: And I have at least one thing up my sleeve worth keeping for later.
Ghost of Nonexistence: For now, let me share a story with you in the form of the following list:

BAD:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

TERRIBLE:
ToonyMan
Jim Groovester
EuchreJack
notquitethere

AWFUL:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

LUCKY NUMBER THIRTEEN:
The Canadian kitten

So, Salvatore Monday claimed that he had no role and no powers. He wasn't killed by scum who were PR-hunting.
In that case, we can assume he was killed for one of two reasons:
a) His reads were good, or
b) The mafia are comfortable and wanted to make a kill that wouldn't rock the boat.

I can't really do anything if it's the latter, so I'll do an analysis while keeping that possibility in the back of my mind - that Salvatore Monday's reads could be wrong and that his only offense to the mafia might have been that he wasn't being loud about it.

That out of the way, if Salvatore Monday was killed due to his reads, I am going to assume:

1) That at least three (probably all four) of the people at the top of his list are town:
Magma Mater
Imp
TricMagic
VermilionSkies

2) That at least two of the people at the bottom of his list are mafia:
CrystalizedMire
Agentt
toastercultist
Kr1ss

Wow this lines up really well with my reads how convenient is that?
Why am I even doing this, I'm just confirmation-biasing myself. 

[Ghost of Nonexistence expresses a willingness to take a gamble.]

toastercultist

I am noting, however, that Salvatore Monday voted for toastercultist at the end of the day. As such, I feel that toastercultist is the most likely person to have killed Salvatore Monday if we're just looking at his reads.

Some actual posts. 3 of them in fact. Pretty sure I responded to these before though. First issue: If two in your readlist must be scum, why is only one of them in your actual scum team? Jack was added purely cause of hats.

Jack: Can you confirm not knowing the Hat you destroyed?
The rest isn't... Really great.

Spoiler: Is it over yet? (click to show/hide)

The answer is no. Also this post is too long. All of this is after the post I started with though, still need to read what happened as I slept. Apparently Jim stuff?

Ok thanks Tric now do Crystalizedmire, Imp, EuchreJack, toastercultist, Agentt, Jim Groovester and VermilionSkies to show yourself that my contributions have been at least in the top half of the playerlist. You're tunneled and making up reasons to suspect me. I get it, you don't like my claim. I expected you to act like this and vote for me after I admitted to lying. Take a deep breath and get over it.

[Crystalizedmire]

Crystal, I'm compiling claims.  I get you are, "Lost hat, gained streetfighter ending video as a message."  Anything else to claim?

I have nothing else to claim because I got only action failure.

Scumteam is Crystalizedmire, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack. Boom, game solved, Magma out.

Why Euchrejack?
You've explained why you scumread me and Jim but what does Jack have to do with us?

I've made your favourite points, but you are town-reading the guy I'm making points about. What's the deal with that?

Cat is a good guy, I think they're misunderstood here.

I don't agree with all of Jim's points either and Jim has my second favorite points! For example, they didn't like Spontaneous Monday which I disagree with.

Also, Magma, you are a cat yourself, isn't that a little hypocritical to vote your Canadian brother?

"Cat is a good guy" too confident. Feels contradictory with earlier low confidence in reads. Bit TMI-ish.

I put TCK as a townish lean despite defending them, how come you only started to suspect me on day2?

[Krr1ss]

Crystal, I'm compiling claims.  I get you are, "Lost hat, gained streetfighter ending video as a message."  Anything else to claim?

I have nothing else to claim because I got only action failure.

Scumteam is Crystalizedmire, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack. Boom, game solved, Magma out.

Why Euchrejack?
You've explained why you scumread me and Jim but what does Jack have to do with us?

I've made your favourite points, but you are town-reading the guy I'm making points about. What's the deal with that?

Cat is a good guy, I think they're misunderstood here.

I don't agree with all of Jim's points either and Jim has my second favorite points! For example, they didn't like Spontaneous Monday which I disagree with.

Also, Magma, you are a cat yourself, isn't that a little hypocritical to vote your Canadian brother?

"Cat is a good guy" too confident. Feels contradictory with earlier low confidence in reads. Bit TMI-ish.

I put TCK as a townish lean despite defending them, how come you only started to suspect me on day2?

I didn't even mention you tho? Wdym?

Also, you got action failure but who did you target?

[Imp]

There is no resolution to the third person who contacted Urist, and whoever blocked NQT, right?

Many people having immunity to getting investigated only for the investigative powers to be immune to the aforementioned immunity would make a hilarious joke.

I also been seen Tric in some town light now, as Magma I believe asked before; yes I was mainly scum reading them because of how scary they looked. I was fully expecting them to us the day to take over the thread and especially try pushing me or vern. But they have been surprisingly understanding and organised. I do like that they accepted town having different opinions and play styles.
I wish I could confidently townread them, because the content they post is very much towny. Same goes for Imp too, she has really taken things much more seriously.

If we end up executing a town today, we will start the next day with 10 players. Which is fine if we assume only 2 mafia but we are in peril if there are 3.

Assuming worst case scenario:

Day 3: 7 towns vs 3 mafia
Day 4: 5 towns vs 3 mafia
Day 5: 3 town vs 3 mafia


And that is assuming we don't have any neutrals in this game. We really should be treating this game as if we only have 2 days left to catch all mafia.

Too many assumptions. Pregame, I asked Fallacy about mafia number and he told me that there was a 12player game with 5 scum iirc. So uhh, don't rely so much on normal assumptions here

I don't think we can have a 5 scum team?
That would mean game ends like...tomorrow or something if neutrals are in play.
Though aye, we can't rely on normal assumptions, but we can still gauge the power levels.

I think the first declaration of complete scumteam size was maybe here:

Scumteam is Crystalizedmire, Jim Groovester, and EuchreJack. Boom, game solved, Magma out.

Appears to say there's 3 maf and no other anti-town.

Here's a look at 4 recent games, including the last 2 FoU hosted, how many anti-town in each compared to the game size (and considering which alignment won too.)

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Here's a recent previous Elephant Parade game with 12 players, 3 maf, no other antitown; no contest but town was very close to winning with 7 town alive, 1 maf alive, and the maf being highly sussed from before start of current day - but the game had to be canceled:  http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182705.0

Here's a recent previous FoU game with 10 players, 2 maf, no other antitown, maf won:  http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182858.0

Here's a recent previous NQT game with 12 players, 4 maf on 2 teams, 1 SK, and only 7 town vs 5 antitown - town came close to winning/decision was kinda based on if a destroyed corpse could be res or not: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182705.0

The previous FBYOR6 (This is 7) had 18 players, 4 maf, 1 maf-ally, an SK, (in my opinion 2 townies who had town-eating powers and were likely to harm town badly) a total of 12 town, town won. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=182211.0

If we have many competing anti-town, we could have more antitown than if we have just one anti-town team.

There's this Thread Alpha thing, that makes perfect sense from Sal's unique power, but could be part of some SK's upcoming 'web of death', if so that's not Sal and I dunno who, but they got me started in that web.

We see one NK - could be multiple killers targeting the same person, or multiple killers but some of them forgot to action, got blocked or stopped, maybe have to set up kills over multiple nights but it's not connected to this Thread Alpha thing I'm obsessed over.

Each anti-town knows they themself exist.  I do wonder about people who don't seem to wonder about the size of the maf team and seem sure if there's other anti-town or not, but that could be something of a personality quirk.  Me, I tend to keep hunting more anti-town until the mod stops the game.  I usually presume there's at least 1 more until the game is over or the mech is such that there just can't be more than one anti-town.