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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32910 on: January 11, 2025, 08:32:50 am »

Isekai slop has always been in a state of freefall as they raced to the bottommost denominator. If anything, AI would pump out tripe that is too intellectual for Isekai's core audience, only a human writer can be deliberately degenerate enough to satisfy the your typical Isekai fan that cannot get enough of this kind of trash.
>adventure guilds
>adventure ranks
>video game RPG mechanics
>MC has unique cheat skill
>everyone looks down on them
>childhood friend they have to catch up to
>betrayed by my... Now I REVENGE
>kicked out of the heroes party, now I live a care free life in the countryside (they kill the demon lord)
>lvl1 hero to max level hero
>I was the weakest skill but it's actually OP??!!!

The addition of GACHA mechanics is a terrifying new evolution to the perfect isekai combo

At least villainess isekais are still a source of gems. Even when they're isekai'ing they tend to have characters resolve things in ways that aren't just invoking level 99 cheat skill with characters who act like real human beans. Still can't believe solo levelling got greenlit for a s2 LOL. This season's off to a great start for From Bureaucrat to Villainess. 52 year old balding Japanese male bureaucrat who knows next to nothing about 21st century otome games or isekais is reincarnated as the villainess of an otome game. The whole premise is hilarious and good spirited, and the first episode has shown a lot of promise. He can't understand why he would be reincarnated into a world that is so off-genre, and while he gets that he's supposed to be cruel and mean as the villainess, he is incapable of doing anything mean because he's too polite, courteous and considerate of other's feelings. It's also one of the better isekais; they don't just do the whole "oh yeah I'm isekai'd from another world. We'll never bring this up ever again." It's integral to the story that he is a married man with kids from Japan who's stuck in an otome game. I hope this one turns out great from start to finish because so far so god

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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32911 on: January 11, 2025, 12:18:09 pm »

The addition of GACHA mechanics is a terrifying new evolution to the perfect isekai combo
Honey, that ain't new at all. Those have been popping up occasionally for a while now in written fiction at a minimum. Think the first time I saw it was in some translated chinese novel like half a decade back or somethin', it's been a while.

Loot boxes and random pulls have been around in isekai for a good long time at this point, ha. Not particularly surprising if it's finally managing to break into manga or animation, heh.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32912 on: January 11, 2025, 06:15:57 pm »

I finished binging the three current seasons of Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest.

It's an isekai about a guy who is summoned to a fantasy world with vaguely video-game mechanics. He promptly takes a vampire loli as his lover, cheats on her with a buxom bunny-girl bimbo, then makes them both watch as he anally violates a masochistic dragon lady, to her delight.

Harem fanservice aside, the first few episodes make very minimal effort to explain how our protagonist is getting stronger. They start with the tired cliche of him gaining abilities from things he eats, possibly aided in some way by his transmutation ability? But that mechanic is promptly dropped along with any effort to explain anything, instead simply having our protagonist pull nuclear submarines and space-lasers out of his proverbial arse purely by virtue of him being amazing and therefore able to do whatever he wants.

It's honestly kind of impressive just how bad the storytelling is here. But hey, I still managed to get through it. I guess decent music and fanservice can really carry a lot of weight.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32913 on: January 11, 2025, 07:18:09 pm »

They start with the tired cliche of him gaining abilities from things he eats, possibly aided in some way by his transmutation ability?
For what it's worth, the written bits were actually one of the earlier incarnations of that particular one in isekai fiction. Arifureta started publishing over a decade ago. It was less of a cliche in 2013, heh.

... the writing was still pretty much slop, though.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32914 on: January 12, 2025, 01:28:51 am »

I finished binging the three current seasons of Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest
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« Reply #32915 on: January 12, 2025, 01:52:01 am »

I finished binging the three current seasons of Arifureta: From Commonplace to World's Strongest
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32916 on: January 12, 2025, 08:26:46 am »

Powerwank harem isekai slop is the equivalent of writing a 1,000 word review of why a game sucks absolute arse but having >5,000 hours played in it

Honey, that ain't new at all. Those have been popping up occasionally for a while now in written fiction at a minimum. Think the first time I saw it was in some translated chinese novel like half a decade back or somethin', it's been a while.

Loot boxes and random pulls have been around in isekai for a good long time at this point, ha. Not particularly surprising if it's finally managing to break into manga or animation, heh.
Maybe not new by internet standards, but I swear the overton window hadn't yet shifted from RPG random quest rewards mechanics to juts straight up "pay coin, get gacha pull" to now where it's just gacha. Not even gacha mechanics reflavoured as some narrative equivalent; just actual gacha ;D

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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32917 on: January 12, 2025, 02:53:07 pm »

There's a pretty big difference between: "Anime/LN with gacha mechanics for skills/items" and "Anime/LN with straight up waifu gacha pulls".

Honestly its a bit surprising its taken this long given how absolutely huge waifu gacha games are.
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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32918 on: January 13, 2025, 01:13:34 pm »

There's a pretty big difference between: "Anime/LN with gacha mechanics for skills/items" and "Anime/LN with straight up waifu gacha pulls".

Honestly its a bit surprising its taken this long given how absolutely huge waifu gacha games are.
Even animes based off of waifu gachas haven't included waifu gacha mechanics
 
Also first episode of Red Ranger becomes an adventurer in another world dropped. Felt like a 24 minute long shitpost full of explosions, the power of friendship and confused fantasy characters having their moody fantasy setting upturned by the power of friendship (and explosions). I think it's going to be a good one :D

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Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« Reply #32919 on: January 14, 2025, 11:20:15 am »

Y'know I was getting kinda sad that nothing that managed to catch and hold my interest came out in the past year or so. I've started so many shows that had a promising start and premise and would then go and waste that shit on the tired old tropes and lazy writing.

Also stuff that was apparently hyped up as good like Solo Leveling which turned out so disappointing and off-putting that I'm kinda worried at how popular the thing is. The protag is such a cookie cutter edgelord bordering on sociopath that it's not even funny. The side characters and their arcs are a bloody joke. It feels like they took something on the level of jeff the killer or other such 13 year old edgelord tier writing and decided to adapt it. Is this what passes for good isekai these days?

Luckily I learned that Konosuba had a 3rd season and that shit much more my speed. Poking fun at the genre is always preferable to lazily painting within the lines.

And regarding the whole anime is there to sell the manga/LN discussion, I'll never get over Grimgar having only a single season. That thing was such a damn nice take on isekai as well as being a feast for the eyes in terms of the visual style it's a damn shame it never got renewed for more seasons.
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« Reply #32920 on: January 14, 2025, 01:30:11 pm »

Yeah, the last season or so hasn't put out alot of good anime. There's always some good ones sprinkled in there, but overall you're still kind of starved for quality.

I think the Sakamoto Days anime is promising, and Apothecary Diaries Season 2 just started up. Those I might be keeping up on as they come out.
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« Reply #32921 on: January 14, 2025, 04:25:09 pm »

Is this what passes for good isekai these days?
Nah, it was just a fairly popular litrpg at a time when they were coming more into prominence, kinda' like moonlight sculptor, just... less interesting, imo. Slots in really well with a lot of the basically sociopathic xianxia/power fantasy stuff, iirc... it's been a while since I read any of it, though, so I could be misremembering somewhat.

Kinda' in a place similar to shield hero, ha. Well known, somewhat appealing particularly if you're not paying very close attention, not... actually particularly good, so much as well known.
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« Reply #32922 on: January 14, 2025, 04:42:35 pm »

Y'know I was getting kinda sad that nothing that managed to catch and hold my interest came out in the past year or so. I've started so many shows that had a promising start and premise and would then go and waste that shit on the tired old tropes and lazy writing.

Also stuff that was apparently hyped up as good like Solo Leveling which turned out so disappointing and off-putting that I'm kinda worried at how popular the thing is. The protag is such a cookie cutter edgelord bordering on sociopath that it's not even funny. The side characters and their arcs are a bloody joke. It feels like they took something on the level of jeff the killer or other such 13 year old edgelord tier writing and decided to adapt it. Is this what passes for good isekai these days?

Luckily I learned that Konosuba had a 3rd season and that shit much more my speed. Poking fun at the genre is always preferable to lazily painting within the lines.

And regarding the whole anime is there to sell the manga/LN discussion, I'll never get over Grimgar having only a single season. That thing was such a damn nice take on isekai as well as being a feast for the eyes in terms of the visual style it's a damn shame it never got renewed for more seasons.
imo the reason why solo levelling doesn't work, isn't because it's formulaic, but because the MC is just... Odd? He's like in that uncanny valley of main characters

Too powerful to be an underdog; he literally overpowers and outshines everyone the same chapter they're introduced. When he meets the S+ ranks he's already stronger than them. When he meets the national level heroes he's already stronger than them.

He doesn't "develop" as a character, instead having an instant personality switch. Before gaining OP cheat powers, he's a weak guy who everyone bullies, but nonetheless is smart and clever, kind and moral. Someone who will sacrifice himself to save others. Then he gets cheat powers, his hair changes, he gets a six pack, grows 2ft taller, never smiles or cries ever again, stops trying to solve things by thinking or working with other people but instead just overpowers everything. There isn't really a period where he adjusts to having power or think about what it means that he has this power

Motivation wise: he's weak and has low attachment to all the characters around him. His motivations are primarily external: "Don't die to the system + save mumsy"
I nearly fucking died when he saved his mum and the moment she comes out of his coma they have one conversation and then he leaves and never talks to her again LOL

Or you get stuff where the guy is making monologues about how everyone looked down on him and picked on him for being weak, so he vowed never to be weak again. But he's saying this after he just dumped his girlfriend, who always supported him (even when he was weak), and he left her behind because... He considered her too weak.
Blud is straight up the antagonist of someone else's YA novel

It makes more sense when you read the original because the original is full of South Korean patriotism appealing to how patriotic and South Korean the MC is. That's why there are loads of scenes hyping up Japanese, Chinese and American heroes only for the MC to immediately surpass them in the same scene the foreign heroes are introduced. But when they adapted it to anime they made the MC Japanese, which pissed off both Korean and Japanese audiences since the former discovered the change and the latter discovered the source material is very unflattering to Japanese

For what's it worth, it did manage to reverse engineer the whole shonen formula of ending everything with the illusion of progress towards something greater alongside cliffhangers that leave you... Hanging. But I remember reading the source material and having this feeling of "oh boy it's going to get good any moment now" but when I was way in too deep, I felt actually tired. The MC was standing behind a big door feeling that whatever was beyond it was stronger, and vowed to get stronger to overcome the stronger thing. I kept wondering when the mystery would unfold, when the MC would get challenged, when the side characters would do something (like there is a demon princess the MC discovers. When he discovers he can share XP with her, he immediately abandons her from his party to stop her from splitting his XP gains. He leaves behind one of his clones, foreshadowing that he could teleport back to her at any moment. She never reappears in the story ever again despite being the only other character with an independent will capable of levelling. They don't call it solo levelling for nothing?). I skipped another hundred chapters ahead not caring if I got spoiled, just to see if the story went anywhere. And the MC was standing in front of a bigger, different coloured door vowing to get stronger to beat whatever was behind the door
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