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[wilsonns]

Am I the only person that's going to stay vanilla?

I will just mod my soap workshop and a giant sized sword

[Untelligent]

I'm going to get to work straight away on three public mods I've already been planning for.


The first two will be self-contained mini-mods, mainly just creatures, that can be used with any other mod (assuming Toady keeps the raws system in which you can create additional raw files of each type). The primary purpose of these mods will be to familiarize myself with the new raws, but if no one else posts something similar first (someone will almost certainly beat me to the first one; someone had suggested the idea of doing the second one ages ago, but it was shortly forgotten about).

The third mod will be a massive, total conversion mod. As to what I will be converting to, that's a secret.

[Footkerchief]

I have way too many planned mods.  Mostly minor idiosyncratic stuff, but I'm also thinking about a zoology mod aiming roughly to include at least one representative of each (interesting) vertebrate family, plus some inverterbrates.  That could get really out of hand considering how complex creatures are now, but I'd definitely release it if it got that far.

Presently possible to make things in the style of rock/bone/wood-actions, that is, takes any of a subset of materials (rather than forgelike, picking your material exactly) and produces product of that material? Might be useful to add some sentinel/reference values for materials and the like, so you can have your product be made of REAGENT1 or REAGENT2 but not the FUEL.

Yeah, this is all that's really needed now (along with unconsumed "catalyst" reagents).  We're getting something like it in the next version, as you can see from the mat templates in the raws preview:

Spoiler: raws stuff, workaround speculation (click to show/hide)

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This lets the game know to use this item to determine the exact material type for the leather product in the tanning reaction.
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:TAN_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:LEATHER]

Although we haven't seen how it's used in a reaction definition yet, we also know it can preserve the material (or at least remember which creature/plant the material came from) across an item type change (in this case from glob to bar):

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[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SOAP_MAT:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SOAP]

So it should be straightforward to set up a workaround that simply preserves the original material through the reaction, via something like this:

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[MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BONE_TEMPLATE]
...
[MATERIAL_REACTION_PRODUCT:SAME_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BONE]

And so on for each of the material templates, using LOCAL_PLANT_MAT instead where appropriate (hopefully there's a LOCAL_INORGANIC_MAT or whatever too?).  It's a little screwy but it should work.

Will it be possible for workshops to produce creatures?  Like, say you have some dead animals, and you have a necromancer workshop that takes parts and creates zombies out of them, or you have a workshop that takes metal bars and creates robots or golems or something.

I'm pretty sure you can already smelt animals with the current reaction raws, so this will most likely still be in.  Though maybe that was only vermin, I'm not sure.

Yeah, it's only vermin, and it's pretty much guaranteed to stay that way for now:

Will we be able to smelt creatures in the smelter (or any other workshop) in this release?

Nope.  That'll take a significant job handling rewrite.

[Dante]

Um...tallow candles.

Yes, but it's not going to be limited to just one possibility, because not everyone will have/want a tallow industry on that scale. There'll have to be oil lamps and flaming brands and so on as well, and beeswax candles probably make sense.

[Dwarfu]

Custom workshops have to be rectangular, but What is the minimum layout a custom workshop requires?

I was never comfortable calling those thing workshops.  I've always seen them more as work tables/benches and feel that the miners/architects plan out & dig the actual shop.  I'd rather it be a room designation where I plop down a table and chair and designate it as a jeweler's workbench or somesuch.

With the noise issue, its hard to layout my vision of a little workshop within a small cottage so the artisan lives & works in the same 'building' or 'shop.'  But perhaps I'm trying to force a square peg into a round hole...but we're dwarves and are supposed to attempt such things.

[Sean Mirrsen]

Well, dwarves fitting square pegs into round holes usually results in square holes or round pegs, depending on which is stronger.

I'd imagine the barest minimum for a workshop is a 1x1 passable space - like a quern. With that, and some clever workarounds, it could be possible to make some pretty sick sh!t. For example, boards and planks. Make a 1x2 carpenter's table, and have him process logs into boards and planks (which would have to be weapons, most likely). Then have logs and planks in different amounts be processable into furniture, at another little shop. Then you can separately make blades and handles for swords, and forge them together (even though it'll hardly make a difference). Stone beds will, of course, become possible. These will, effectively, be custom workshops(in the "plan out a room and fill it with stuff" sense) - except you won't have that little required feature called task automation. As in, you will first have to make the blades and handles, and only then you can make swords.

In spite of this, would it be possible to have an "uncancellable" task at a workshop? A task that, instead of being cancelled when its materials are not available, is shafted to the back of the queue? I realise some of the implications of this, and that you can already do something like this with the job manager, but being able to put a task "on hold" until its required components are available, so that it will automatically resume then, would be very useful.

Also, will there be completely no way to get rid of the standard workshops? Would it at least be possible to remap the keys so that the custom workshops can be built instead?

Mini edit: maybe add a tag like [STANDARD_WORKSHOPS] to the entities to indicate that all normal workshops are available to them? Removing them will leave only the custom ones, with which the modder will have to replace the originals.

Also also, how exactly will the new 'shops be buildable? Will they be just stuck at the end of the existing list, or maybe we might have categories that we can stick them into?

Addendum: It would really make sense to add specific restrictions for workshops. For example, adding a new "Bonecraft shop" to Goblins would make sense, so that they can make instruments and crafts out of bones, but the same workshop won't make much sense for humans or dwarves, though they still use bonecarving for ammo and armors.

[Aqizzar]

I'm noticing a distinct lack of inane commentary on the STAR JELLY DISPENSER.  Let's comment on it.

What do you suppose star jelly is?

[Mandaril]

I'm noticing a distinct lack of inane commentary on the STAR JELLY DISPENSER.  Let's comment on it.

What do you suppose star jelly is?

http://www.strangeattractor.co.uk/further/archives/star%20jelly.jpg

!...uhmm..yea. I have no idea what it is It does look kinda creepy. Does it bite?

[Dante]

Star jelly is a delicious food dispensed by Armok himself. It tastes of fungus, is 88-proof, cleanses beard mites, and has exactly the nutrients of blood.

When the dwarf with a hankerin' for some jello scurries successfully to the end of the maze, he presses a button and one of two things happens.
Either a bell rings and a piece of jelly is dispensed, or a bell rings and one of his colleagues is brutally dismembered.

[Leissi]

custom workshops \o/

I want to have your babies.

[chaoticag]

I'm noticing a distinct lack of inane commentary on the STAR JELLY DISPENSER.  Let's comment on it.

What do you suppose star jelly is?

When I saw it, I had no idea what it was, but it inspired me to make some sort of shock absorbant material to make chainmail with, and make the soldiers wear it under their platemail as blunt damage protection. But yeah, no idea other than a possibly delicious snack.

[Akroma]

dear god, it looks like a fleshlight

[Rose]

that looks like aerogell, or something similar, which is used for insulation in spaceships and such things.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ProfessorA]

dear god, it looks like a fleshlight

sweet jesus that pic made me accidentally the whole gag reflex

[AbuDhabi]

Star Jelly has [ANY_USE].