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[Knight Otu]

I'm kind of torn between my original plan to wait for the next DF release, and the idea to update in a few days. The updates that are almost definitely in are these:

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 - Added keafos/keatons as a thieving, cave-dwelling civ. Added a reaction for them to create weapon/armor-useable tin (tinsuits).
 - Added wizzrobes as an evil, snatching civ. Added a wizzrobe staff weapon for them.
 - Added a bulblin caste to the moblins, made bokoblins smaller.
 - Added tektites as mountain/lakeside beasts.
 - Added red dodongos as benign lake/river/ocean beasts.
 - Added gyorg sharks as ocean beasts.
 - Added pengators as arctic beasts.
 - Added snapdragons, bullbos, and kargaroks as evil beasts, with bullbos and kargaroks being mounts.
 - Added pumpkins as a food crop and oil/soap source.
 - Gave skeletal undead a weak spine to make killing them easier.
 - Replaced stock good and evil grasses with more generic pale/bright grass.
 - Removed a few stock plants - glumprong, goblin cap, kobold bulb.
 - Added canes of Byrna, canes of Somaria, Bombos medallions and associated adventure mode reactions.
 - Added adventure reactions to break some stuff for random items.
 - Added basic hardening of leather into boiled leather using normal leather and wax.
 - Tweaks: Increased honey production from pressing honeycombs, increased crutchwalking skillgain, reduced mining skillgain, made wood blocks be called planks, changed daira natural skills, made gorons less suspectible to slashing weapons. Other assorted raw tweaks.

Among the assorted raw tweaks are improved descriptions of some creatures, though there is more work to be done for people who don't know much about the games. Honeycombs will give three portions of honey. Mining skill gain is reduced to 1/4 for dwarves and gorons, and 1/20 for other civs (not that it means much for them) - thus reducing the amount of boulders you have to deal with. The boiled leather I think I gave stats comparable to wood.

There's still some things I might do, some cosmetic and some not. I'm considering making bombs tools that can be bought legitimately in adventure mode, but I need to do some tests there.

[Ult1mara]

U could, if u wanted to? Make a little wiki section for the mod? Or you could put the manual, explaining what each thing is, in amongst the DL?

But thanks for the reply, and I know that if you post things too often then ppl wont ask, but if you dont post at all then the thread will get lost amongst the forums of doom, time and despair haha

[Knight Otu]

There's a readme in the raw/objects folder that contains the same info as the first post in this thread. I really should have moved that readme into the main directory for the graphics download. An improved readme is probably necessary, though.

[Ult1mara]

There's a readme in the raw/objects folder that contains the same info as the first post in this thread. I really should have moved that readme into the main directory for the graphics download. An improved readme is probably necessary, though.

Woops never noticed u already had a readme saying what each thing does

But yeah an Improved, or easier to find, readme might be better ^_^

[Ult1mara]

If u wish to know Knight I will be uploading a new Zelda Fortress video tonight at some point ^_^

[Knight Otu]

Thanks for the heads-up!

While I'm typing away on the Direforged manual, hopefully fast enough to move on to the Zelda manual, I notice that I haven't given my thoughts on what to include in the version after the next version. So, in no particular order -
Proper gleeoks - When you fight the gleeoks in the first game, you attack their heads, severing them - and then the heads continue to attack you. That should become partially possible with the next DF version through custom interactions. If the heads'll be able to fly and breathe fire still, and it works properly in world gen, bonus.
Metals of Evil's Bane - Several of the ingredients are in the mod already, and with the upcoming material strengths/weaknesses, this becomes almost mandatory to include, so that Ganondorf and cohorts are properly protected against certain metals and weak against the metals of evil's bane. Also, I'm sure cuccoos should benefit from becoming nigh-invulnerable against all materials. :p
Secrets of Dark Power - A secret to increase the power of creatures obtaining it, and granting transformation abilities into demonic creatures. Perhaps also a Biggoron secret if it is possible.
Wizzrobes - The recent DF talk makes me think that teleportation might become a reality due to the stalkers, and ghost transformations as well, both of which would fit the wizzrobes well (walking through walls, phasing out, teleporting around)... If they can do this in fortress mode, that should be Fun.
Ghosts - speaking of ghosts, if they do become moddable, the Zelda series has a slew of them - one-eyed ghinis, lantern-bearing poes, eye-likee moas, so it should be interesting what can happen there.

[D_E]

Hi Knight Otu!

I just put up another version of my mod of your mod.  I also put up a full bundle with some pre-generated worlds.

Obviously, you can fold as much or as little of it back into your mod as you want .

It now includes a Twili civ, Shadow Beast night-creatures, as well as a bunch of enemies from Zelda II, replacing many of the creatures from vanilla DF.  It also includes an Iron Knuckle underground civ, and a body and b_detail plan for making armored humanoids with severable armor plates (body is ARMORED_HUMANOID, body detail plan is HUMANOID_ARMOR).  I may also have fixed the spontaneously-combusting Ikana undead.  It also has gibdo night creatures, but I think those debuted in v3...   ...er, gibdos are from Knight Otu, I just copy pasted them... AND did that in v3, so doubly not a new feature...

I also included a guide to getting started with the various races.  All the races are playable using a default embark, but several (Kokiri and Twili especially) demand that the starting wood (from the wagon) be used in a specific way.

Getting Started guide

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Generating a new world
I've had some trouble generating worlds, due to some kind of world gen crash.  I think it's related to having too many sites.  The HYRULE world gen parameters (see below) should work with a couple of tries.

After world gen is complete, open the world in adventurer mode and make sure all the player civs (hylian, hyrulean, kokiri, goron, zora, sheikah, gerudo, and twili) are still alive, especially gorons.  If the gorons are extinct, it cuts the hyruleans off from the underground.

Getting Started:
Hyruleans:  (Note: this is the main player civ).
Embark site:  You won't be digging for a while, so embark somewhere with trees.  But you will be able to dig later, so watch out for aquifers! 
At start:  Build a sawmill (b-w-a) to stretch your wood supply.  Keep some logs whole to build wood shields and other trade goods.  Check the castes of your starting seven, and look at their skills.
Later:  Check the caste and skills of all imigrants.  Make sure your walls and roofs all have paths to your courtyard, or flying castes will get stuck and starve!  Trade for woodcuting knuckles from the gorons.  Use a craftsman's workshop to convert the cutting knuckles to minining knuckles.  Now you can mine!  Build a Hyrulean temple (b-e-T)

Hylians: 
Embark site:  You won't be digging much at all, so embark somewhere with trees, and consider embarking near a cave mouth. 
At start:  Build a sawmill (b-w-a)
Later:  You have some limited digging ability, so if you embarked near a cave you can dig out some promising veins.

Kokiri:
Embark site:  You won't be digging, and you don't need much wood, since you can make your own.  You do need plenty of plants, though. 
At start:  Deconstruct your wagon and build a Kokiri Grove with the wood (b-w-G).  Put "coax forth logs from plants" (W) on repeat (r).
Later:  You'll need a lot of wood, so you'll need a lot of Groves.  Groves have a big footprint, so you'll need lots of teritory.  You'll be depending mostly on walls and archers for defence.  Kokiri have a natural bonus with Slings (but are less good with Slingshots and Slingbows, their starting weapons).

Goron:
Embark site:  You'll be doing a LOT of digging, so embark somewhere without an aquifer.  You'll need trees for fuel and steel making.
At start:  Build a craftman's workshop and convert one of your starting woodcuting knuckles to a mining knuckle.  Now you can dig!
Later:  Not much to say here.  However, you are the only race with full metalurgy, including steel, so set up your steel industry

Zora:
Embark site:  No digging, so don't worry about that.  Also, Zoras have little to do with woodworking.  Embark somewhere with animals to hunt and shelled fish to gather.  You may still want to embark around a cave mouth for later material access.
At start:  Build a Bone Workshop (b-w-B) and/or a Shell Workshop (b-w-L) to take the presure off your wood workers.  Deconstruct your wagon for wood if necessary.  Check the castes of your starting seven.
Later:  You have some limited digging ability, so if you embarked near a cave you can dig out some promising veins.  Set up a meat industry for bones and horns.  Check the castes of all your imigrants

Sheikah:
Embark site:  No digging, but you need plenty of trees.  Same advice goes for embarking near cave mouths.
At start:  Build a sawmill (b-w-a)
Later:  You have some limited digging ability, so if you embarked near a cave you can dig out some promising veins.

Gerudo:
Embark site:  No digging, and trees are less important.  Instead, you need a source of clay.  Same advice goes for embarking near cave mouths.  As a bonus, most cave mouths have clay in them!
At start:  Build a sun-drying workshop (b-w-D), deconstructing your wagon if necessary.  Petrify a piece of wood at the sun-drying workshop, and build a kiln.  Special castes flash different tiles: diamond for an ice sorceress, star for fire sorceress, and & for king.
Later:  Build a Charcoal furnace to help stretch your wood supply.  You have some limited digging ability, so if you embarked near a cave you can dig out some promising veins.  Make sure your walls and roofs all have paths to your courtyard, or flying castes will get stuck and starve!

Twili:
Embark site:  You won't be digging, and you have little use for trees.  You'll make all your stone and wood at the Twilight Temple.  You need a food and water supply, though.
At start:  Deconstruct your wagon and build a Twilight Temple (e-T).  Put "call forth the Twilight" (c) on repeat (r).  Go to the economic stones menu (z-Scroll to Stones-Enter).  Scroll down to the "twilight" stones (deep twilight, bright twilight, bloody twilight, and royal twilight) and set them to non-economic (green).  Build at least one more Twilight Temple as soon as you have enough building materials, and then start building workshops.  Twilight-stone weapons are a good trade good.
Later:  At start, you need only 2-3 Temples.  Later on, you'll want 6 or more.  You'll have to trade to get armor.  Shadow steel can be used to make armor but it sucks.

What to trade for:
All:  Metal bars; Ores, including special ores like Aqua ore, wood if you need it, gems etc.
Hyruleans:  Steel goods, Hylian shields, hookshots.
Hylians:  Steel goods, Hylian shields, hookshots.
Kokiri:  Exotic animals.
Gorons:  Steel goods, balls and chains, megaton hammers.
Zora:  Heavy crossbows, broad-tip bolts and long bolts.
Sheikah:  Their non-ranged, non-dagger weapons are ok, but mainly this convoy helps protect your depot.
Gerudo:  Dual Scimitars and Dual Axes, Glaives, Giant Shurikens
Twili:  warm stone bars and armors.

Hyrule World-gen parameters (generates a small world with all the civs.  The idea is that, like hyrule, adventurers should be able to walk to all the civs.

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[WORLD_GEN]
[TITLE:HYRULE]
[DIM:65:65]
[EMBARK_POINTS:1274]
[END_YEAR:105]
[BEAST_END_YEAR:100:80]
[REVEAL_ALL_HISTORY:1]
[CULL_HISTORICAL_FIGURES:0]
[ELEVATION:1:400:404:404]
[RAINFALL:0:100:101:101]
[TEMPERATURE:25:75:101:101]
[DRAINAGE:0:100:101:101]
[VOLCANISM:0:100:101:101]
[SAVAGERY:0:100:202:202]
[ELEVATION_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[RAIN_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[DRAINAGE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[TEMPERATURE_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[SAVAGERY_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[VOLCANISM_FREQUENCY:1:1:1:1:1:1]
[MINERAL_SCARCITY:100]
[MEGABEAST_CAP:12]
[SEMIMEGABEAST_CAP:24]
[TITAN_NUMBER:12]
[TITAN_ATTACK_TRIGGER:80:0:100000]
[DEMON_NUMBER:64]
[NIGHT_CREATURE_NUMBER:1]
[GOOD_SQ_COUNTS:3:32:64]
[EVIL_SQ_COUNTS:3:32:64]
[PEAK_NUMBER_MIN:3]
[PARTIAL_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:1]
[COMPLETE_OCEAN_EDGE_MIN:0]
[VOLCANO_MIN:1]
[REGION_COUNTS:SWAMP:66:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:DESERT:66:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:FOREST:264:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:MOUNTAINS:528:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:OCEAN:528:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:GLACIER:0:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:TUNDRA:0:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:GRASSLAND:528:0:0]
[REGION_COUNTS:HILLS:528:0:0]
[EROSION_CYCLE_COUNT:250]
[RIVER_MINS:25:25]
[PERIODICALLY_ERODE_EXTREMES:1]
[OROGRAPHIC_PRECIPITATION:1]
[SUBREGION_MAX:5000]
[CAVERN_LAYER_COUNT:3]
[CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MIN:0]
[CAVERN_LAYER_OPENNESS_MAX:100]
[CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MIN:0]
[CAVERN_LAYER_PASSAGE_DENSITY_MAX:100]
[CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MIN:0]
[CAVERN_LAYER_WATER_MAX:100]
[HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_1:1]
[HAVE_BOTTOM_LAYER_2:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_GROUND:15]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_1:5]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_2:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_3:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_4:1]
[LEVELS_ABOVE_LAYER_5:2]
[LEVELS_AT_BOTTOM:1]
[CAVE_MIN_SIZE:10]
[CAVE_MAX_SIZE:25]
[MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:12]
[NON_MOUNTAIN_CAVE_MIN:36]
[ALL_CAVES_VISIBLE:1]
[SHOW_EMBARK_TUNNEL:2]
[TOTAL_CIV_NUMBER:13]
[TOTAL_CIV_POPULATION:15000]
[SITE_CAP:100000]
[PLAYABLE_CIVILIZATION_REQUIRED:1]
[ELEVATION_RANGES:528:1056:528]
[RAIN_RANGES:264:528:264]
[DRAINAGE_RANGES:264:528:264]
[SAVAGERY_RANGES:264:528:264]
[VOLCANISM_RANGES:264:528:264]

I'm looking forward to your next version, as well!

[freeformschooler]

Man. I started a succession fort (sorry for the crossposting? still not 100% sure what Toady thinks of it, we do have some user overlap after all) that I'm working on updating right now using this mod and Genesis, but now I wish I had waited 'til D_E's latest modmod.

[Seriyu]

Looks like the mod mod has a bug that is preventing the zora's from doing anything with wood.

Woodcutter, carpenter, and boyer are missing the first bracket.

Unless that was intentional.

[D_E]

It was intentional .  They can do pretty much everything other races can do with wood using their custom workshops (Bone workshop, Shell workshop, and Horn workshop (and Pearl workshop, but I don't think you can get pearls from anything )).  If you do a default embark, you'll still get a starting carpenter, who can then build the custom workshops.  If you do a custom embark, you should bring along a few pieces of stone to get the ball rolling.

The zoras seem to use shell to decorate the inside of their homes, and seem to live primarily in natural stone caves. (concert hall) (zora entry, note the organic weapon)

In DF, living in caves is pretty dangerous, of course, so you'll probably end up inhabiting a bone and shell fortress on the surface.
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On a related note, zoras are slower than average on land, but much faster in the water.  So in adventure mode you'll want to fight from the water whenever possible.  You may be able to figure out a way to use this in Fort mode also, but I haven't.  The DF AI thinks that water is dangerous, even if your creatures can swim innately, but you may be able to rig it so they can't flee.

[Seriyu]

Ah, there's an idea. Okay, thanks!

[Knight Otu]

Man. I started a succession fort (sorry for the crossposting? still not 100% sure what Toady thinks of it, we do have some user overlap after all) that I'm working on updating right now using this mod and Genesis, but now I wish I had waited 'til D_E's latest modmod.

I'll try to follow this, of course. Just a quick warning in case you didn't pick it up from the thread (I thought I had updated this in the first post, but apparently not) - gorons do eat now, and can create food from stone in the kitchen.

It also has gibdo night creatures, but I think those debuted in v3...

Yeah, you multiplied the gibdos in the previous version. Not quite certain yet how I'll update them for the next version - from the recent DF talk, they'd probably act as light cyan independent undead, rather than yellow mummies, but I'll have to see how things are working. Maybe I'll put off updating them to the version after the next version.
With the potential of secrets, I might make male gerudos less supernatural, or add a less supernatural male caste in addition to the "Ganondorfs".

[D_E]

Yeah, you multiplied the gibdos in the previous version.

   Thanks, I'd forgotten where those came from...

It also has gibdo night creatures, but I think those debuted in v3...   ...er, gibdos are from Knight Otu, I just copy pasted them... AND did that in v3, so doubly not a new feature...

I forgot to mention before, but one thing you might want to use is the attribute mod descriptor ranges, which are now set so that the Hylians will always be described as having long ears, and the Gerudo as long noses.  Kokiri also have fairy companions with randomly selected colors.

With the potential of secrets, I might make male gerudos less supernatural, or add a less supernatural male caste in addition to the "Ganondorfs".

Yeah.  In Zelda lore the Gerudo kings are definitely special, but most of Ganondorf's powers come from the triforce rather than being innate. 

I wonder what kind of control we'll have over secrets and what they're transmitted by.  It would be neat if we could make actual triforces as secret-granting items, but probably not...

[freeformschooler]

I'll try to follow this, of course. Just a quick warning in case you didn't pick it up from the thread (I thought I had updated this in the first post, but apparently not) - gorons do eat now, and can create food from stone in the kitchen.

That... is awesome. I'll definitely be using stone as my primary food source in the future. Thanks for the save though, I'll edit that post there.

[Seriyu]

How does the sun drying clay reaction work? Says I need two fired_mat producing stones and yet I still can't do it.

Edit: wait, sun dry clay BRICKS hurpadurp. My bad.