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[Jokerman-EXE]

Herp. I definitely see a Soli/Vec team. Vector is usually smarter about her choices, instead of rushing.
Trying to make sure your scum bud doesn't die, Vector?

.......

Because your scummy self is so likely to be helped by the town, because I'd be worried about a "guard" chewing up my theoretical cabal buddy, and because I'm THAT TRANSPARENT?

(Hint: all of the above are false.)

No, man.  I just happen to be online, now, and wanted to take care of things sooner rather than later.

This doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did before, Vector.

[Vector]

This doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did before, Vector.

If you think that Solifuge and I are scumbuddies, then vote both of us.

You're being illogical, otherwise.

[Toaster]

Lonewolf: Since you didn't feel like saying anything during the assist...

Solifuge and Ottofar - Why shouldn't we pit our two most likely lurky players together in the first round for a nice, cathartic duel to the death?

Toaster - We were the only two players to resort to hex, and we both picked the exact same color.  Imagine the odds.

I shall make mine a bit darker.  Keep your "Garnet".

Unvote Ottofar

Solifuge - Pics of your kitten or you get to risk your life in the arena.  I love kitties. :-P

JetSquirrel - Have you never read through any games Vector played?  I find it hard to believe that you're only now figuring this out.

Since i admit i suck in mafia games now (played 2 games Begginer magia 1 and wizard duel 1) i cannot make proper decisions and badnwagoning people gets you in trouble most of the time. so i voted for her? to look how she and other people would react towards me. and thats all i can think off

Covering excuses for poor play amidst your reaction to her gender could be interpreted as a primer intended to cause us to subconciously forgive your mistakes ahead of time.  Why shouldn't I interpret it that way?

so i voted for her?

Why the question mark?  It's a statement of fact.  Why would you be questioning your own actions?  Are you afraid you attacked the wrong person, since Jim called you out on it?

These are your only two posts of Day 1.  In the first, you RV Solifuge and Ottofar with a question.  Ottofar never answers you, and yet you drop your vote on him.  Wanting to use your vote elsewhere is fine, but you completely drop your question to Ottofar.  If you don't care about following up, it tells the world that you don't really care about your question.  Therefore, either your scumhunting has no teeth or you already know his alignment (ergo you are scum.)

Assist Org with a defensive earthen barrier.

Neither Org nor Solifuge is striking me as scummy, and I see more value in this first battle in watching where the assists fall and in what order, and analyzing them afterwards.  I choose to go along with Org's claim mainly out of curiosity.

This just bugs me.  If you don't think of either one as scum, why work to condemn one?  You aren't required to assist.  (See note later)

I don't think anyone is scum at this point, and both Solifuge and Org have a tendency to not be useful.

I'll pick my attack on Jetsquirrel back up when the next vote stage starts, assuming no one else (looking at you, Vector) does anything suspicious during assists.

Lonewolf I, why not pick up your attack on Jetsquirrel now? There's no gap in discussion, and since you're not waiting to see what the results of the duel are going to be there's no reason to wait until the next Vote Phase to start.

Well, I was going to wait because I felt that scumhunting in the assist phase should focus on those going into the battle and anyone who makes controversial assists.  If Jetsquirrel does not provide an excellent reason for not assisting, however, he will enter the latter category and come back up to the top of my priorities.

Lazy.  Unsubstantiated attack on Vector.  Unwillingness to commit.

Is it necessary for the doc to protect?  For the cop to inspect?

Your assist is a tool to hunt scum, to defend those you don't believe are scum, or simply to test the waters in an effort to find someone's affinity.  Not using it is usually, if not always, a waste of potential data.

Now quit stalling for time and give a complete explanation of your reasoning behind this action.  A gut feeling, or lack of one, isn't going to cut it.

Now you're just looking for excuses.  I find it ironic that you would accuse someone of stalling here when you admitted not long before you were waiting for events to unfold (AKA let others do scumhunting for you).

Get your battle wand out, scum.

Janus:  For someone who hates lurkers, you've been awfully lurky this game, even considering your stated absence.  Now that we're in day 2, how have your suspicions changed?

Jetsquirell:  Are you going to back up your actions today with reasoning, or are you going to be reasonless and scummy?

[Jetsquirrel]

ehhh.. il try to get some reasoning behind it

[Jokerman-EXE]

This doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did before, Vector.

If you think that Solifuge and I are scumbuddies, then vote both of us.

You're being illogical, otherwise.

I didn't say I thought Solifuge was your scumbuddy. I still think you're scum trying to buddy up to him. And you really have nothing else to say in your own defense?

Then get in the ring already.

[Vector]

Herp. I definitely see a Soli/Vec team. Vector is usually smarter about her choices, instead of rushing.
Trying to make sure your scum bud doesn't die, Vector?

.......

Because your scummy self is so likely to be helped by the town, because I'd be worried about a "guard" chewing up my theoretical cabal buddy, and because I'm THAT TRANSPARENT?

(Hint: all of the above are false.)

No, man.  I just happen to be online, now, and wanted to take care of things sooner rather than later.

This doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did before, Vector.

EXCUSE ME MR. BENDING QUOTATIONS TO HIS OWN SCUMMY ENDS?

[JanusTwoface]

*cough* Sorry I haven't posted for three days, I actually made something with every post listed from Jokerman and Janus, but the forum ate it, and I didn't notice until now. Also I'm a bit in hurry right now, so, recreating the two.

In that style, I'll make one for everyone, anyways, season's last refereeing now, I'll finish this tomorrow, or thursday.

Type your responses in something other than the forum and copy/paste them.  More game related, why? 

I don't think it's really helpful to do one of these for everyone, especially going over every post.  Maybe if you just make a list of scummy points for everyone, but it's generally much better to focus on a limited number of the most scummy people.

Going over every post for everyone has the feel of trying to be helpful equally to hide your scumteam.  Scummy, Ottofar.

Janus:  For someone who hates lurkers, you've been awfully lurky this game, even considering your stated absence.  Now that we're in day 2, how have your suspicions changed?

I haven't been lurking during the week (at least I don't consider myself lurking).  During the weekends, I'll generally be away from my computer and it's a pain to phrase my posts correctly on my phone.

So far as suspicions, I noted Criptfeind, Jokerman-EXE, Jim Groovestar, and Vector as people to look into today.  Jim is obviously not scum and I'd like to add Ottofar for the above posts.


For Criptfeind:

Now I have not been following this pretty well. I was planing on rereading it tomorrow when I have time but one thing I happened to see.

Admitted lurking.

And there's this post repeated shortly later.  He formally retracted it later, but it feels like he was trying to get others to go on with his attack on Vector and only backed down because others weren't.


For Jokerman-EXE:

There's the oft quoted post talking about Solifuge and Vector buddying.  Problematic terminology in that scum don't buddy each other (usually).  Scum buddies town.  Later you back down when called on it and waffle about if Solifuge is actually scummy or not yet still assist Org.

And the copying Jim's assist the post after (with the same coloring and everything) was unusual.

[Jokerman-EXE]

MY POST:

Herp. I definitely see a Soli/Vec team. Vector is usually smarter about her choices, instead of rushing.
Trying to make sure your scum bud doesn't die, Vector?

.......

Because your scummy self is so likely to be helped by the town, because I'd be worried about a "guard" chewing up my theoretical cabal buddy, and because I'm THAT TRANSPARENT?

(Hint: all of the above are false.)

No, man.  I just happen to be online, now, and wanted to take care of things sooner rather than later.

This doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did before, Vector.

WHAT YOU DID RIGHT AFTER:

This doesn't seem as ridiculous as it did before, Vector.

If you think that Solifuge and I are scumbuddies, then vote both of us.

You're being illogical, otherwise.

YOU EDITED THE QUOTE, SMARTASS. So what was that about bending quotes to your own ends? Did you really just try to set that up so that I looked like the scum there? Someone please tell me I'm not imagining things here.

Janus: I'm not saying Solifuge is scummy here, I'm saying that Vector appears to me to be scum trying to buddy what feels like a town Solifuge (if that makes sense).

[Criptfeind]

Jokerman. What?

What you are saying makes no sense. She did not edit your quote.
Also you offer no evidence. All you do is quote Org and say that THIS half of his sentence is right and THIS half is wrong.

For Criptfeind:

Now I have not been following this pretty well. I was planing on rereading it tomorrow when I have time but one thing I happened to see.

Admitted lurking.

That is quite a bit coming from you, I don't always have time for this stuff you know. When it jumped three pages in between me looking at it and each post was about two feet long I was unable to catch up.

And there's this post repeated shortly later.  He formally retracted it later, but it feels like he was trying to get others to go on with his attack on Vector and only backed down because others weren't.

Okay Janus. For the third time if you take the time to read those posts you will find I thought I found a giant lie Vector was pulling. You don't lie if you are town. It turned out that Vector was in fact right and I was missing it.

Take the time to read what you are attacking.

[Jokerman-EXE]

Jokerman. What?

What you are saying makes no sense. She did not edit your quote.
Also you offer no evidence. All you do is quote Org and say that THIS half of his sentence is right and THIS half is wrong.

Are you retarded? She cut out a part, then put it back in, bolded it, and said I had somehow edited it to fit my own ends.

And what I'm pointing out there is her defense. Her so-called "sarcasm" towards Org when she was so sure he was scum.

[Mephansteras]

The Glowing Tally Board
Criptfeind: JanusTwoface
Leafsnail: Solifuge
Lonewolf I: Toaster
Ottofar: JanusTwoface, Solifuge
Vector: Jokerman-EXE



Vote phase ends ~5pm Pacific Thursday

[JanusTwoface]

Okay Janus. For the third time if you take the time to read those posts you will find I thought I found a giant lie Vector was pulling. You don't lie if you are town. It turned out that Vector was in fact right and I was missing it.

Take the time to read what you are attacking.

And there's this post repeated shortly later.  He formally retracted it later, but it feels like he was trying to get others to go on with his attack on Vector and only backed down because others weren't.

There's also that you've been giving an air of confusion and just slightly off the entire game.  Even when you were attacking Vector in those posts (I don't care if you later recanted, you believe it at that point), it's still really hard to actually tell what your point is, just that you're trying to make one.

[Criptfeind]

Are you retarded? She cut out a part, then put it back in, bolded it, and said I had somehow edited it to fit my own ends.

You are attacking her using a quote from Org that says She and Solly are scum but you are saying Solly is not scum.

That is why she said you misquoted him. Not because she took a part out and put it back in Jokerman-EXE.

it feels like he was trying to get others to go on with his attack on Vector and only backed down because others weren't.

Okay. I don't know what to say here. It was two hours between those posts. Two people other then Vector and me posted. It makes no sense for you to say I retracted it because no one was going for it.

You made a clever little trap here, if I defend myself you call WIFOM and if I do not you will take that as evidence I am scum.

There's also that you've been giving an air of confusion and just slightly off the entire game.

I am acting confused (surly that is scummy.) and off in a undefinable way. I don't really understand the confusion part but I can understand the off part. But I don't understand what makes you feel that way.

Fun fact, my computer will not let me use the right word for surly.

Even when you were attacking Vector in those posts (I don't care if you later recanted, you believe it at that point), it's still really hard to actually tell what your point is, just that you're trying to make one.

Fourth time is the charm.

She said that I attacked Solifuge for affinity fishing but ignored toaster for the same. I attacked her on the basis that toaster did no such thing and she was a liar. She then pointed something out that may have been very subtle affinity fishing but I did not see it. Then several posts later she got me to see what she was talking about and I recanted.

[Jokerman-EXE]

Did you even read the rest of that post? Christ, I feel like I'm talking to a couple of walls.

[Vector]

Are you retarded? She cut out a part, then put it back in, bolded it, and said I had somehow edited it to fit my own ends.

And what I'm pointing out there is her defense. Her so-called "sarcasm" towards Org when she was so sure he was scum.

Are you retarded?  I cut out a part for size reasons, then when you didn't understand what I said the first time I quoted what you said back to you and said that you had "bent the quotation."  I.e., you used a quotation that had nothing to do with what you were accusing me of.

You accused me of buddying Solifuge.  Org accused me of trying to save a scumbuddy.  These are very, very different things, and when you post a defense that is my response to Org's accusation and say "this looks more and more likely," then following that up with... the wrong accusation, after I say "sooooo, why aren't you voting Solifuge if you suspect both of us--as that quotation implies."

It looks like you're trying to jump on something--anything--that might get me out of the game, no matter if the posts you quote support your argument or not.  I realize I may be confusing you with other people, since a number of individuals have already piled onto me for silly reasons--but at this point, I've had enough.

Jokerman-EXE, go scum in the ring.