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[Jim Groovester]

JanusTwoFace.

Anything new or just lack of attention to detail / poor reasoning for votes?

That's a nice way of putting it. But no, nothing new. I'm voting you because of your bandwagon and then lazy justification after the fact.

Also, you're a lot quieter than normal but I can't directly say that it's because you're scum because of the holidays, but I'm suspicious about it nonetheless.

[Dariush]

Reply #68 - Asks why Org tends to get killed early while voting him, self-contradictory
Reply #95 - Blatent OMGUS against Jim Groovester, although possibly deserved in this instance
Reply #139 - Says Jim wants to lynch someone/anyone when the quote he included counters that
Reply #174 - Admits to aiming for a passive game
Reply #223 - Wants me to explain why I am disregarding MBP's claim and then does the same thing two posts later
Reply #245 - Thinks MBP should be ignored until Day 2, not really helpful to ever ignore anyone

Very angry, mostly because of / at Jim Groovester. Twisting quotes and blatent OMGUS, but I don't think he did either on purpose. Don't really have more of a reason for that than a gut feeling.

1) I randomvoted Org and just put it into a form I thought would be amusing. If it wasn't, sorry.
3) His quote DOESN'T contradict that - he directly said 'let's lynch somebody scummy', and he didn't say 'let's lynch scum'. If it wasn't a randomlynch offer, I don't know what is.
4) I stated that I said everything I had to and will wait until something important happens. Stop twisting my words.
5) I disregarded the importance of MBP's claim. You disregarded any suspicion toward him. See the difference?
6) Again, I said that the Kook's claim alone isn't enough to lynch or write off as innocent anyone. Also I thought that MBP probably won't be able to confirm his claim and probably won't do something idiotic enough to disprove it until the next day. I combined those statements and decided that he shouldn't be lynched nor deemed innocent until D2.

Alright, my new scumpick:
1. JTF - twists my words, stated idiotic excuse about his error about Argembarger.
2. Jim - still an asshole, but at least this time his scumminess is outweighted by JTF.
3. ToonyMan/Org - wake up, guys. Seriously.

[Leafsnail]

"Hey, I'll use the fact that Leafsnail was away during the end of the day to push a bullshit lurker accusation at him!"

And it's funny how you have no real content in that post either.  You accuse Org of being useless, and a role that wants to be lynched.  So you propose that we... lynch him.  You accuse MBP of seeming "new" but not new (and then... don't accuse him of anything?).  Then you accuse ToonyMan of being "Useless" and "annoying more than actually scummy".  The other reads don't seem to contain anything accusatory, which begs the question...

Who do you actually think is scum?  I will find the golden truth one way or another.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

To Janus, Whats up with wanting to know the Protect roles (or guardian, whatever may be the case). Asking people to explain it directly comes back to knowing the Guardians and Warden around, and we don't want them to be exposed so soon. Actually, Town don't want them exposed at all, but i'm pretty certain that scum are eyeing for them pretty strongly now...

Right now you are pretty much fishing for power roles, wich is all kinds of bad.

[JanusTwoface]

That's a nice way of putting it. But no, nothing new. I'm voting you because of your bandwagon and then lazy justification after the fact.

Which I explained. I was busy and I only had the time to look in to one person.

Also, you're a lot quieter than normal but I can't directly say that it's because you're scum because of the holidays, but I'm suspicious about it nonetheless.

Holidays.

3) His quote DOESN'T contradict that - he directly said 'let's lynch somebody scummy', and he didn't say 'let's lynch scum'. If it wasn't a randomlynch offer, I don't know what is.

Yes, he does. It was Day 1. Essentially all the information we have is 'somebody scummy'. That's *exactly* what town should do. A randomlynch that is not.

4) I stated that I said everything I had to and will wait until something important happens. Stop twisting my words.

How is this not saying that you're going to be passive:

3) I respond whenever I have something to say or when I'm directly addressed.

...

1. JTF - twists my words, stated idiotic excuse about his error about Argembarger.

No. I'm not. Also notice how *I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THAT SCUMMY*. You're more than halfway down my list.  There's no reason for you to have to defend yourself against that just yet, and yet you do. Being over-defensive is a scumtell. You're being over defensive.

And I'm not the only one who thought that way about Argembarger and I've already admitted that I was wrong about that. Deal with it.

"Hey, I'll use the fact that Leafsnail was away during the end of the day to push a bullshit lurker accusation at him!"

I don't care if you were lurking because you were scum or lurking because you were in jail. You were lurking. You always lurk. You have 8 posts to your name and most of them are useless.

You accuse Org of being useless, and a role that wants to be lynched.  So you propose that we... lynch him.  You accuse MBP of seeming "new" but not new (and then... don't accuse him of anything?).  Then you accuse ToonyMan of being "Useless" and "annoying more than actually scummy".  The other reads don't seem to contain anything accusatory, which begs the question...

There is more content in that one post than you have posted *THE ENTIRE GAME*.

I specifically state that I think Org is *NOT* the Spore Spreader, thus we should lynch him.

There's far more to MBP than just new but not new (which is scummy by itself): the Kook claim, how he claimed it, the modwrath comment, backtracks on his defense, sticks to defending himself, and corrects his behavior. 

ToonyMan was being useless. It looked like he was going for a lynch by annoying (as a Jester would) but gave up and moved on after he saw that we weren't going to actually lynch him for it.

Who do you actually think is scum?  I will find the golden truth one way or another.

Read the fucking post.

To Janus, Whats up with wanting to know the Protect roles (or guardian, whatever may be the case). Asking people to explain it directly comes back to knowing the Guardians and Warden around, and we don't want them to be exposed so soon. Actually, Town don't want them exposed at all, but i'm pretty certain that scum are eyeing for them pretty strongly now...

In case you didn't notice *THERE WAS NO KILL LAST NIGHT*. That means that either there are no scum (I don't think that's the kind of Bastard game Meph would run), that the scum didn't send in an action (doubt it, he usually waits long enough and there are two of them), or that someone stopped the kill.

If someone stopped the kill, that could mean that a Psychic Warden has a really good chance of knowing who one of the scum is. A fair trade.

If a Guardian stopped the kill, then we know someone who *isn't* scum (because they were targeted). There's almost certaintly more than one protective role out there, if the Guardian claims another could theoretically protect them.  And I'm not pushing for the hypothetical Guardian to claim as much as a hypothetical Warden, that'd be more useful.

[Dariush]

That's a nice way of putting it. But no, nothing new. I'm voting you because of your bandwagon and then lazy justification after the fact.

Which I explained. I was busy and I only had the time to look in to one person.

If you were so busy, why did you look in at all? Looking into one person would bring nothing at all, and you probably know it.

3) His quote DOESN'T contradict that - he directly said 'let's lynch somebody scummy', and he didn't say 'let's lynch scum'. If it wasn't a randomlynch offer, I don't know what is.

Yes, he does. It was Day 1. Essentially all the information we have is 'somebody scummy'. That's *exactly* what town should do. A randomlynch that is not.

If that's all, why did he have to hurry the lynch? Maybe so that there won't be time for anybody to properly question him?

4) I stated that I said everything I had to and will wait until something important happens. Stop twisting my words.

How is this not saying that you're going to be passive:

3) I respond whenever I have something to say or when I'm directly addressed.

...

So, you imply that speaking regardless of whether or not you want to say something (yes, Toony, I'm speaking about you) is considered not being passive?

1. JTF - twists my words, stated idiotic excuse about his error about Argembarger.

No. I'm not. Also notice how *I DON'T THINK YOU'RE THAT SCUMMY*. You're more than halfway down my list.  There's no reason for you to have to defend yourself against that just yet, and yet you do. Being over-defensive is a scumtell. You're being over defensive.

So when you pointed out the potential scumminess in my post I wasn't meant to disprove it? And that's after you said I was calling for a passive game. And if what I said is over-defensive, then tell me what isn't.

And I'm not the only one who thought that way about Argembarger and I've already admitted that I was wrong about that. Deal with it.

When you saw that Argem was innocent, you simply blamed it on your busyness and waved it away. Something tells me that today won't be much different in that regard.

"Hey, I'll use the fact that Leafsnail was away during the end of the day to push a bullshit lurker accusation at him!"

I don't care if you were lurking because you were scum or lurking because you were in jail. You were lurking. You always lurk. You have 8 posts to your name and most of them are useless.

So if he always lurking why is his lurking now means he's scum?

To Janus, Whats up with wanting to know the Protect roles (or guardian, whatever may be the case). Asking people to explain it directly comes back to knowing the Guardians and Warden around, and we don't want them to be exposed so soon. Actually, Town don't want them exposed at all, but i'm pretty certain that scum are eyeing for them pretty strongly now...

Leafsnail, why do you so often bring your future all-knowledge in your posts?

[JanusTwoface]

If you were so busy, why did you look in at all? Looking into one person would bring nothing at all, and you probably know it.

Because in my rough overview, Argembarger seemed scummy. So I looked closer. I already explained that.

If that's all, why did he have to hurry the lynch? Maybe so that there won't be time for anybody to properly question him?

When was he hurrying the lynch? For one, *you can't* (unless everyone agrees). The day will end when the day is scheduled to end or later. For two, Jim was one of the main people pushing for an extension.

So, you imply that speaking regardless of whether or not you want to say something (yes, Toony, I'm speaking about you) is considered not being passive?

No. That's active lurking. But when you don't have anything to say, you should start something. If everyone waits for things to react to, we lose.

So when you pointed out the potential scumminess in my post I wasn't meant to disprove it? And that's after you said I was calling for a passive game. And if what I said is over-defensive, then tell me what isn't.

You didn't have to defend yourself. And the passiveness was for exactly this: waiting for someone to do something that you could respond to. Be proactive.

When you saw that Argem was innocent, you simply blamed it on your busyness and waved it away. Something tells me that today won't be much different in that regard.

Something tells me you're wrong. Notice how I was actually talking with Argembarger at the end of the day? Look at that.

So if he always lurking why is his lurking now means he's scum?

... why do I even bother. Leafsnail is only a step above you in my scummitude scale, putting about dead center. I want him to stop lurking and to stop claiming that I am. I don't particularly think that he's scummy or I would have said as much.

To Janus, Whats up with wanting to know the Protect roles (or guardian, whatever may be the case). Asking people to explain it directly comes back to knowing the Guardians and Warden around, and we don't want them to be exposed so soon. Actually, Town don't want them exposed at all, but i'm pretty certain that scum are eyeing for them pretty strongly now...

Leafsnail, why do you so often bring your future all-knowledge in your posts?

... why quote MBP and then ask Leafsnail?

[Org]

Herpaderp derp.
Janus, y u no find other people?
Voting me? What does that gain?

[JanusTwoface]

[Org]

Hahaha.

[Dariush]

If that's all, why did he have to hurry the lynch? Maybe so that there won't be time for anybody to properly question him?

When was he hurrying the lynch? For one, *you can't* (unless everyone agrees). The day will end when the day is scheduled to end or later. For two, Jim was one of the main people pushing for an extension.

Then what was the purpose of his 'Let's lynch somebody scummy'? Like, at all?
Also, how do you determine that he was one of the main people pushing for an extension if everyone had the exactly same reason?

So, you imply that speaking regardless of whether or not you want to say something (yes, Toony, I'm speaking about you) is considered not being passive?

No. That's active lurking. But when you don't have anything to say, you should start something. If everyone waits for things to react to, we lose.

And what exactly should I do near the end of the day one? Roleclaim?

When you saw that Argem was innocent, you simply blamed it on your busyness and waved it away. Something tells me that today won't be much different in that regard.

Something tells me you're wrong. Notice how I was actually talking with Argembarger at the end of the day? Look at that.

I don't care how you were speaking with him, I care how you were speaking about him after he was lynched.

So if he always lurking why is his lurking now means he's scum?

... why do I even bother. Leafsnail is only a step above you in my scummitude scale, putting about dead center. I want him to stop lurking and to stop claiming that I am. I don't particularly think that he's scummy or I would have said as much.

Again and again you bring up the fact that I'm low on your scale as though you expect me to return the favor.
And what exactly do you accuse Leafsnail of? Of lurking while not being scum?

To Janus, Whats up with wanting to know the Protect roles (or guardian, whatever may be the case). Asking people to explain it directly comes back to knowing the Guardians and Warden around, and we don't want them to be exposed so soon. Actually, Town don't want them exposed at all, but i'm pretty certain that scum are eyeing for them pretty strongly now...

Leafsnail, why do you so often bring your future all-knowledge in your posts?

... why quote MBP and then ask Leafsnail?

Error in quoting. MBP's one is irrelevant.

[Mysteriousbluepuppet]

You can win an Annoy-off with Org. He's just the best there is.

[Leafsnail]

I'm thinking there's a pretty good chance scumhunting doesn't matter this game, but I guess I'll keep playing.

I specifically state that I think Org is *NOT* the Spore Spreader, thus we should lynch him.

Lies.  "Could be a Spore Spreader" indeed.

There's far more to MBP than just new but not new (which is scummy by itself): the Kook claim, how he claimed it, the modwrath comment, backtracks on his defense, sticks to defending himself, and corrects his behavior.

I'm... not even sure what you mean by the "new but not new" thing.  Has he been in any non-newbie games other than this or the last Paranormal?  Why is seeming new a scumtell, anyway?

And then the kook claim as a scumtell... well, I think it's scummier to hide being a kook (so you can later bullshit your way past a guilty inspection).  The modwrath comment is strange, but I don't see how it's a scumtell.

ToonyMan was being useless. It looked like he was going for a lynch by annoying (as a Jester would) but gave up and moved on after he saw that we weren't going to actually lynch him for it.

And that makes him third on your scum list *why*?

[Jim Groovester]

... why do I even bother.

Oh, sure. I'm a big angry asshole for attacking Dariush more than he deserves.

To Janus

This is crap. You FoS somebody when you're not voting anyone.

*sniff*

Smells like noobscum move to me. Who else do you suspect (but won't vote) besides JTF? And why?

[Argembarger]

bah!

Good luck town