Topic: Homestuck? in my DF? (Read 3445 times)

GlaceonMaid · « **on:** January 28, 2011, 01:17:02 am »

Hi, I decided to start on my first modding project today by changing mydwarfs into candycorn-horned-trolls, and I thought'd I'd share it with the forums and see if anybody liked it so far. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3737
===========What's in so far=====================
Two castes, Aquatics and Psychics
Psychics, they can fly, which isn't very useful in fortress mode, but can be a lot of fun in adventure mode!
Aquatics can breath in water and land, again, not very useful in fortress mode, but good for adventurers.

Reskinned Dwarfs, Different descs for each caste, and scales for the Aquatics.
Two horns on each troll, attacks pass right through them, oddly enough.

That's really all that's in at the moment, I only started on this about an hour or so ago so it's a very rough project.
Any suggestions/comments?
Thanks.

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Added musclebeasts as fanciful creatures, hopefully our drones will make some carvings of the FINE ART.

Rumrusher · « **Reply #1 on:** January 28, 2011, 03:05:17 am »

you might want to add a description for different horns, and different types of blood as means of different caste.
oh best to dig deep into the troll lore as much to replicate it. replace the DF trolls with them or you might end up with a goblin raid with DF trolls on leashes wondering why is there a flipping large ugly tower with one grey ugly child to steal. also troll culture is going to be a large hitch to replicate seeing how they only breed by dumping Spores into a spawning queen. So this means almost all women born must have no way to breeding on their own. The possible way one could pulls this off is to make a caste have pet tag and will spawn with any one apart of the race with no ties of relationship.
... though a caravan of them might be awesome

Urist: By Armok's beard we got a merchant!
Ur, Trader: Looks like gray nose less goblins with orange horns and yellow eyes?!
Cilwon Toquva: |-| EII() |/\|E |-| A \/ E ARR!\/E
Ur: "line minus line capital E, I, I, Parenthesis?" Uhh hopefully you guys don't mind waiting until we finish setting up?
Cilwon Toquva: |\| () T |-| AT F!|\|DOTDOTDOT !S T|-|AT A PA!I EXCLAMATION MARK QUESTION MARK
Ur:no it's a fine craft bucket made of ada...
Grehaw: ALL NO NOO THIS IS NOT WHAT i CAME HERE TO SEE, LITTLE HOBOS BRINGING BLUE PAILS...
Feliba:stop it grehaW! really have to be a
Cilwon Toquva has melted
Grehaw has melted
Feliba has melted
Ur: by armok brow these people are worst than elves.
Urist: Ur why did you pull the lever! didn't you get the memo about killing folks!
Ur: what memo?
Urist: we ran out of slabs months ago, and the mayor place a hold on pulling the lever until we get more.
Ur: oops.
Grehaw: HEHEHE NOW WE BE HAUNTiN YOU, LITTLE HOBOS FOREVER!

so what to do should be making a caste system for each blood color and have them each have crazy moods that base off of their 4 romance quadrants.
though I can excuse most of the culture if you spin it off saying a Dwarf wrote about their lives in a engraving and launch it many Zlevels above the sky using ~~MAGIC~~ "HEX MEMORY EDITTING" where Armok hangs with his dark god buddies and all that info spread over to a region home to an alien race of creatures who adapted to the booze drinking culture the best way they can.

Ieb · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2011, 04:28:46 am »

Interesting, I'm pretty sure that you might want to copy ethics off goblins considering how trolls are supposed to be a violent species. Tweak the behavior patterns so every-single-one is a sociopath one way or another.

Rumrusher · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:40:15 am »

Quote from: Ieb on January 28, 2011, 04:28:46 am

Interesting, I'm pretty sure that you might want to copy ethics off goblins considering how trolls are supposed to be a violent species. Tweak the behavior patterns so every-single-one is a sociopath one way or another.

Then custom edit every workshop to be organic and have them only use organic material as blocks. Oh and drop the age for working around 5 ~~years~~solar cycles so you can get builders to design and build their homes. though you might want to for adventure mode sake make them live in a human fort to make up for lack of dark ones or any really.

Deon · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2011, 08:15:03 am »

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Two horns on each troll, attacks pass right through them, oddly enough.

Check your errorlog.txt. It means that there are errors with materials, and it can potentionally crash the game. Better fix it.

GlaceonMaid · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2011, 09:49:29 am »

Quote from: Rumrusher on January 28, 2011, 03:05:17 am

you might want to add a description for different horns, and different types of blood as means of different caste.

Yeah, I'm looking into how to change blood color, and get randomized blood color within a certain hemospectrum, IE peasant-ish trolls have the darker colors while the highbloods(nobles) have the more bright and shiny ones.
I'd love to give them all randomly chosen speech quarks like you mentioned too, but I haven't a clue how to do that.

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Check your errorlog.txt. It means that there are errors with materials, and it can potentionally crash the game. Better fix it.

Turns out the horns don't have any thickness, so there's nothing to hit, do you know how to fix this?

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Deon · « **Reply #6 on:** January 28, 2011, 10:19:52 am »

As I said: they don't have correct tissues/materials assigned (bodyparts are fine, but your creature lacks horn material). Look at cows to see how it's done.

Fniff · « **Reply #7 on:** January 28, 2011, 03:45:32 pm »

Wait, Troll adventurers?

Urist McQuestGiver: Ah, what a beautiful day. I wonder what traveler will come next to ask me for a job.
Tavros McAdventurer: h;y, d0 y0u 8ave a job???
Urist McQuestGiver: Oh goddammit, another troll. I DO NOT SPEAK TROLL! Jesus, I am not even sure how you talk like that, or how you make me know you are talking in green text!
Tarvos McAdventurers: awwww... racist.

Suggestion: Mod in Exiles as a Play Now! race.

Duke 2.0 · « **Reply #8 on:** January 28, 2011, 03:50:52 pm »

A possibility for other races are the Prospitians and Dersites. Although you'll have to wrestle with the various debates on whether they eat or not.And they are relatively simple beings, you just need to add a carapace and distinct colorings and you are good.

Talk to Aqizzar on his own Troll modding adventures. He was able to make a bunch of trolls with different blood colors, and I think that's it. We should probably pester toady on better blood color support.

GlaceonMaid · « **Reply #9 on:** January 28, 2011, 04:11:26 pm »

Ah, horns are now, well, horns, thanks Deon!

Now, anyone know how to set varying descriptions for new body parts?

Perhaps we could make a new language.txt for troll language, I don't think there's a way of changing it for different trolls though, except with castes maybe.

Dersites and Prospitians could probably be reskinned goblins, elfs or kobolds for the sake of them showing up in Fortress Mode.

I'm pretty sure WAYWARD VAGABOND ate a pumpkin, and some other things, I haven't read that far back in a while though.

Also, I've run into a problem..

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That is stopping the troll civ from being placed during worldgen, making it unplayable.

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I've looked through this with wordfinding and everything looks to be fine, if anyone knows what's up that'd be great.
EDIT: Fix'd, t'was a problem with entity_default.

Fniff · « **Reply #10 on:** January 28, 2011, 04:35:06 pm »

Quote from: GlaceonMaid on January 28, 2011, 04:11:26 pm

I'm pretty sure WAYWARD VAGABOND ate a pumpkin, and some other things, I haven't read that far back in a while though.

No, he didn't. There has never been, or will be, a pumpkin near him.

Thundercraft · « **Reply #11 on:** January 28, 2011, 04:37:38 pm »

I realize that this is very much a Work-in-Progress. However, do all the modified files require 6.2 Megabytes?

I'd consider trying this, but I much prefer compact mods that only include the modified files - to be combined manually with vanilla DF. That way I can examine what the mod adds and more easily combine it with other mods. (Unless it is a major mod or a full conversion, of course.)

GlaceonMaid · « **Reply #12 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:24:35 pm »

Quote from: Thundercraft on January 28, 2011, 04:37:38 pm

I realize that this is very much a Work-in-Progress. However, do all the modified files require 6.2 Megabytes?

I'd consider trying this, but I much prefer compact mods that only include the modified files - to be combined manually with vanilla DF. That way I can examine what the mod adds and more easily combine it with other mods. (Unless it is a major mod or a full conversion, of course.)

Well, I suppose it could work with some mods, so long as it doesn't modify the dwarfs a whole lot, like body structure, castes and such.
You could probably overwrite whatever mod you want to merge it with with this mod's files in the appropriate places, maybe.

Rumrusher · « **Reply #13 on:** January 28, 2011, 06:40:18 pm »

Quote from: GlaceonMaid on January 28, 2011, 06:24:35 pm

Quote from: Thundercraft on January 28, 2011, 04:37:38 pm
I realize that this is very much a Work-in-Progress. However, do all the modified files require 6.2 Megabytes?

I'd consider trying this, but I much prefer compact mods that only include the modified files - to be combined manually with vanilla DF. That way I can examine what the mod adds and more easily combine it with other mods. (Unless it is a major mod or a full conversion, of course.)

Well, I suppose it could work with some mods, so long as it doesn't modify the dwarfs a whole lot, like body structure, castes and such.
You could probably overwrite whatever mod you want to merge it with with this mod's files in the appropriate places, maybe.

Urist: correction these guys are like grey noseless versions of us!
Ur: Curse those goblins and their horrible Flesh pits for making such a creature.

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