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[NativeForeigner]

Oh, no. Not a grudge, and I'm not using it as an excuse or explanation or a copout. I'm also not trying to ruin a game. I'm just saying that your scumhunting skills towards me have been terribly lacking.

I'm voting you because I think you're either scum vig or an exterminator. Neither of which is good for town.

[Leafsnail]

NativeForeigner, just in case you're town, I'd like to point something out to you.

There are 4 dopps alive.

Would they allow their doppelganger vig to die?

Furthermore, let's imagine I am an exterminator who picked an extremely idiotic tech.  You lynch me.  The 4 doppelgangers... instantly win.  Yay?

[Mr.Person]

The dopps would only be able to block the lynching of a dopp vig like that if the warden is also scum. But if the warden and a dopp are scum, we're screwed anyways. So at most one of the two vigilantes and warden is scum. Two of them are town.

Unvote while I figure out what the best move is. Pand, Leafsnail, who do you plan on shooting tonight?

[Leafsnail]

Book.

[NativeForeigner]

Alright, alright, give me a while to reread things and rethink things. You might be right. I still think you're anti-town, to say the least, but it looks like I'm rushing into something that might lose the game.

Obeject to shorten and unvote for now.

As for the dopps allowing their vig to die, that seems like total WIFOM.

And now that I think about it, if you're an exterminator, you're going to have to hit scum in order to have a hope of winning, so nothing will be gained by lynching you, that will only cause the dopps to win.

[Mr.Person]

It's not WIFOM, it's that if both exties or an extie and warden are scum, we have no chance anyways. They tie, they shoot us during the night. If an extie is scum, we have to shoot him during the night and roleblock the kill.

[Mephansteras]

The Whiteboard
Leafsnail: Argembarger, Book, Pandarsenic
Mr.Person: Dariush
Pandarsenic: Jim Groovester
No Lynch: Leafsnail


Day ends ~5pm Pacific Monday

[Leafsnail]

As for the dopps allowing their vig to die, that seems like total WIFOM.

Only it's not, because they could actually win the game if they didn't.  WIFOM breaks down when you get to "Win the game or spread WIFOM" and you know it.

If we had a theoretically scenario where there is a dopp vig, and the scum all outed themselves today by stopping him from getting lynched, there'd still be no way to beat them.  Even if Argem were town, he'd only be able to stop one of the 2 kills, and the other one would hit the town vig, ending the game.

And now that I think about it, if you're an exterminator, you're going to have to hit scum in order to have a hope of winning, so nothing will be gained by lynching you, that will only cause the dopps to win.

Yes.

[Mr.Person]

8p, town vig and warden, dopp vig.

NL during the day.
During the night, warden blocks the scum vig. Dopps shoot a random townie (we're going with the best case scenario and assuming the warden blocks whoever is shooting the town's vig. If the dopps killl the town's vig, they win anyways.
6p, 3 scum 3 townies.
Warden blocks a random dopp, dopps shoot at vig, vig shoots dopp. If the warden hits the killing dopp, the town wins. If the warden misses, the dopps win.

Not good odds, but at least it's possible. Either way, we need 4 votes on a dopp to out the dopp team. Book

[Book]

But if the warden and a dopp are scum, we're screwed anyways.

Crap. I guess we're screwed then, because I'm pretty sure at least one of the dopps is scum.

If an extie is scum, we have to shoot him during the night and roleblock the kill.

Yeah. We're fucked. The extie is probably scum too!

Book

Yeah, that's the best choice. Clearly Book is clearly one of the two possibilities you list. Clearly. He must be scum!


Jim: See? I told you.

[Mr.Person]

I was in a hurry. Those two were meant to be "vigilantes". Sue me.

Anyways, Book, your talk of Exterminators is frankly bullshit. If we lynch an Extie right now, we lose. End of story. There is a 0% chance of either vig-claimer hitting the end of the game, period. The dopps will be more than happy to take care of exties for us.

[Book]

I was in a hurry. Those two were meant to be "vigilantes". Sue me.

Sue you? Sue you!? No, sir, I won't sue you: I will Vote You! I will vote you so hard you'll wish I had sued you instead! I'll vote you like you've never been voted before! I'll vote you into next Tuesday! I'll rip your head off and vote down your throat! I'll vote you up the arse until your eyes bleed! When I'm done voting you, you'll wish you'd never been born!

Anyways, Book, your talk of Exterminators is frankly bullshit. If we lynch an Extie right now, we lose. End of story.

Right! Let's not lynch any exties. Or vigs. Or scums. Or any other misplaced word you might of misused! Let's lynch a Doppelganger Fakeclaiming "Reporter" instead! That's a great plan sure to result in victory!

You, Mr.Person, are a liar, a coward, and a disconcordant cur. Oh, and scum as well. Probably.

[Jim Groovester]

*yawn*

Transparent attempt to draw all attention is transparent.

Well, it's good to know Book is scum, but it still doesn't leave us with any choice good choice to lynch.

Hint: It's Pandarsenic.

[Mr.Person]

I don't think you understand, Book. The only scenario where we lynch scum is if both vigilantes are town. I dunno about you, but if I was scum with a dopp-vig right now, I would gladly take "guess who's killing and try and block them" game. Now, I'd also try and maneuver the votes like you're trying to do, but I'm not falling for that shit.

That "probably" at the end of your post is the biggest tell ever that you know I'm actually town and are lying about thinking I'm scum.

[Book]

I don't think you understand, Book. The only scenario where we lynch scum is if both vigilantes are town. I dunno about you, but if I was scum with a dopp-vig right now, I would gladly take "guess who's killing and try and block them" game. Now, I'd also try and maneuver the votes like you're trying to do, but I'm not falling for that shit.

Oh. Yes. That makes sense. I still don't buy that you are town, but now that you've explained your plan it does look like the last chance of victory possible. OK. I hereby Unvote you so hard that your eyes bleed!

OK, so, who do you propose we lynch instead? Jim? He's obviously scummy, trying to draw all attention, yawning seductively like that. But if we can't lynch the exts or the vigs or the dopps or the mods... who's left?