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[Neonivek]

Nidalee

On the bright side most Nidalee players stink as her

[Jopax]

The problem with Nidalle on ARAM (and Brand to a certain extent, as well as Xerath (mind you I haven't been on the recieving end of Xerath, but have played him often enough to know how he works) is that no matter how bad you are with your spears, the field of battle is so small and crowded that you're bound to hit someone.

Jayce is an annoyance but he's merely the Q spamming bastard, he doesn't have the teamwide sustain or trap debuffs of Nidalee, same goes for Caitlyn. Yi is annoying too, but he's either spamming Q or W'ing up making for a predictable and easily counterable solution. Morellonomicon has grown to be my favourite item on Howling Abyss.

[Neonivek]

True, while Nidalee is generally a joke in normal play (because no one can play her worth squat), in ARAM she is bound to hit something.

[SalmonGod]

There are plenty of other champions that have more effective poke than Nidalee.  Yeah, her spear is the highest damage poke, but it's dodgeable and doesn't go through creeps or hit multiple people.  There are several champions that have some combination of undodgeable, aoe, and creep-piercing.

I think Jayce is actually the worst.  I have never seen a Jayce on aram end up with less than 20 kills.  I have played Jayce one single time ever, and went 26/7.  His damage is obscene, undodgeable, and aoe.

Katarina and Yi are tied for 2nd.  Both only need to kill one target in order to then tear through an entire team with their high-damage refresh on kill aoe abilities, and can still deal incredible damage to an entire team with very little effort even if they don't pull off the penta-kill bullshit.

There's also Twisted Fate (aoe through creeps), Fiddlesticks (bouncing crows), Gragas (aoe), Heimerdinger (multiple targets and literally undodgeable), Janna (pop up entire team through creeps), Karma (aoe), Kha'Zix (undodgeable aoe), Kog'Maw (longest range and aoe), Lulu (undodgeable aoe that slows), Lux (aoe through creeps), Orianna (aoe through creeps), Sivir (aoe), Syndra (aoe through creeps), Varus (aoe through creeps), Ziggs (constant barrage of long range aoe), Ezreal (undodgeable chaingunning of long-range poke), Zed (aoe through creeps), Viktor (aoe through creeps), Xerath (long range aoe through creeps), Zilean (aoe and can be super long range if player is clever)

And that argument about the size of the battlefield applies to any one of them as well.  Most of the above have poke abilities that make them as or more dangerous than Nid, in my opinion and experience, having played nothing but ARAMs for the past few months.

[Jack_Bread]

Speaking a good ARAM champs...

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The second I saw the enemy team, I knew there was no winning that.
And it was also my first game with Fiora. I didn't have a reroll, too...

[tompliss]

Roll for ARAM : 4 melee + the lowest ranged ADC ... yeah, not your best call...

[Errol]

There are plenty of other champions that have more effective poke than Nidalee.  Yeah, her spear is the highest damage poke, but it's dodgeable and doesn't go through creeps or hit multiple people.  There are several champions that have some combination of undodgeable, aoe, and creep-piercing.

I think Jayce is actually the worst.  I have never seen a Jayce on aram end up with less than 20 kills.  I have played Jayce one single time ever, and went 26/7.  His damage is obscene, undodgeable, and aoe.

It's only undodgeable when he shoots it from the bush. If he doesn't, the gate really telegraphs what he's trying to do, so against the average Jayce you can just move out of the way. Certain facets of ARAM make him into a real problem, though (narrow clustered spaces, lack of creepwaves to hide behind)

Jayce is an obscene champion in general, though. I've gone over this in length in a previous page. He doesn't just have one of the best pokes in the game, he also provides top notch AD burst, semi-AD-carry potential, disengage and team utility. He's a jack of all trades that's also a master of all.

[SalmonGod]

It's only undodgeable when he shoots it from the bush. If he doesn't, the gate really telegraphs what he's trying to do, so against the average Jayce you can just move out of the way. Certain facets of ARAM make him into a real problem, though (narrow clustered spaces, lack of creepwaves to hide behind)

You know when he's about to fire it, but the projectile is so fast moving that you can't exactly move out of the way.  All you can do is hope to predict his aim, or hide behind creeps (very very quickly).

[Sindain]

Varus (aoe through creeps),

But Varus does crap damage if he actually shots through creeps. Though good Varuses are still really dangerous on Aram.

[Jopax]

Oh yeah, forgot about Fiddle, he's mighty scary too. No just because of the poke but because it silences you as well so you can't do much but let him dictate when you can and cannot strike back. To say nothing of his crazy sustain.

My biggest problem with Nidalee honestly is not just the bullshit poke but the incredibly good heals and the debuffs she throws out from the traps. And then, she goes ahead and builds tanky so she can cougar people to death even easier, all the while her spears continue to do bullshit amounts of damage with little to no AP.

TF is also very dangerous but only if he gambles and uses his W oftenly to CC or deal big amounts of damage to you. His Q alone can be rather easily dodged most of the time unless you're up in his face, but in that case either he's fucked or he has his team with you and you're fucked anyways.

Edit:
Ranked bullshit. So I get to ban stuff, get trough it, we got first pick so I'm discussing taking  Shen as the other team is on their last ban. And just as he bans Vayne I finish talking and am about to pick Shen when I get booted out of the lobby for failing to pick a champ. It's like, 10 seconds worth of time or something, what the hell is wrong with that?

[frostshotgg]

Jayce is overpowered in comparison with other roles, but he's standard fare for top.

[darkrider2]

Well I've been playing LoL now, and I love it. All free so cheap champions it is for me, including poppy, who I've just discovered should never, ever, ever, be allowed to feed freely. Because this will happen.

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Just a note, with this build I was able to burst through garen's 4000 hp and kill him in something like ~7 seconds, multiple times.

I ended up doing so well that my team was listening to my orders (this is blind pick solo queue mind you), except sivir.

I have never made a mobafire guide but I want to for this build, all the poppy guides I see on there right now are just the standard ADS + crit% builds that half of all mobafire guides are made of (Seriously, Phantom Dancer + The Bloodthirster + Infinity Edge gets a little old ). Not one ever suggested Sword of the Divine, poppy's Q counts as a standard attack and it can critical strike, this is leagues better than phantom dancer for poppy since she doesn't need to be criting outside of her burst combo. Also, Blade of the Ruined King gets buffed through her ultimate , yeah, using its active with her ult drains 21% of the targets health right off the bat, then heals her for that amount, and the speed steal is just too perfect for poppy.

Put simply the combo is, W -> Sword of the Divine -> R -> Blade of the Ruined King -> E -> Q -> Tiamet/Ravenous Hydra -> Ignite

You stop the combo when they are dead, and they will die, you'll only ever have to Ignite if they miraculously survived it, and are also miraculously managing to get away. BTW, Ignite gets amplified through her ultimate too.

Your first Q autoattack will do... ( 8% of their max health in damage + 5% of their current health with Blade of the Ruined King + Q's magic dmg + attack damage * 2 with Sword of the Divine + Sheen spellblade passive ) * 1.4 with her ult. You can see where the damage amount starts to become ridiculous.

And you can dive into groups of up to 3 enemies with it too! The combined life steal of Blade of the Ruined King and Ravenous Hydra is 27%, and it heals from Ravenous Hydra's cleave passive allowing you to get health from AoE damage (groups), combine with Blade of the Ruined Kings 40% attack speed bonus and the fact that Ravenous Hydra can be activated to reset your autoattack, upgrade Sheen into Iceborn Gauntlet and you're golden.

Poppy's passive trait reduces dmg by half when its more than 10% of her remaining health, since your health is around ~1800 at lvl 18, anyone who's stacked traditional AD/AP dmg items will have a hell of a time killing you since it will activate her passive on every single attack (~180+ damage after armor), I've walked right out of so many group dives that would have killed other champions because of this.

TL;DR - mobafire guides are dumb, do not feed poppy, and if you're the target of her ult then you're already dead.

[Sharp]

Poppy Q crit is a weird crit, the damage from the ability won't crit, only your ad will crit just like sheen proc won't crit either, however whatever damage you do with the autoattack Q will be all magic damage so I actually like to run some mag pen even on an AD Poppy (usually sorc shoes+masteries). All in all unless you have magic pen and/or are facing a target with more armour then magic res then it doesn't matter if you crit on Q or not, the only thing special with Q will it being magic damage.

Also who needs ignite when you can have barrier, activate that at low health and take like no damage and then once barrier runs out put on a red elixir for just sheer unkillableness. Having Barrier and Red Pot on Poppy is hilarious although have to be careful vs Darius and Cho'Gath who don't give a shit about your passive with their ults.

Honestly your build is a little bad for Poppy, if your going to get Sword of the Divine then you need to get more attack damage, Bloodthirster is always a good choice and much better then BotRK, Infinity Edge is good but if your running Sword of the Divine it's probably more efficient just to stack another Bloodthirster instead or Last Whisper (because 2 of the 3 crits will be AD without the Q). Once you get more levels you can get crit damage runes as well but I feel buying crit chance items and Sword of the Divine is a waste.

[frostshotgg]

That Poppy build is disgusting. It's like you couldn't decide what to build so you built a little of everything and just got lucky that you were hella fed.
Either go full hybrid, with gunblade trinity and rageblade, go full ad with trinity phantom dancer ie and bt, or go tanky dps with iceborn bork etc.

Also, your math is hella fubar. Poppy's Q critting is just the base attack damage critting. Nothing else. The entire goal of building crit on poppy is so that she does damage outside of her combo. SotD is fucking dumb because then you're literally a 1 trick pony who is COMPLETELY useless while her r is on cd.

Additionally, the damage amplify on ignite is in hot water right now, Riot's noticed that it's increased for poppy and swain, and they're not sure if they're going to nerf them like that or not. True damage is true damage, not un resistable but amplifiable damage.

You also have absolutely no escape in that build. If it weren't for the fact you were hilariously fed, the moment you were out of position you would be dead. Exhaust/ignite is dumb and you should feel bad. Swiftness + Alacrity is even more dumb and you should uninstall until you realize how dumb that is.

Poppy's passive DOESNT WORK LIKE THAT GODDAMN HOW DOES NOBODY UNDERSTAND HER PASSIVE ITS NOT HARD JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.

tl;dr you're dumb and need to learn how to write a good post. The formatting on it is horrible.

On another note, what the hell is with that Yi build? I've actually seen that build on Yi surprisingly frequently. Did a pro run it or something?

[Frumple]

... yeah, were the insults laced through that actually necessary, frost? And maybe linking to something explaining poppy's passive or, y'know, explaining it instead of spewing out some vitriol would have been more constructive.

C'mon man, that isn't the right way to go about things, yeah? Y'can provide criticism without the attacks.