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[Gunner-Chan]

I'm attracted to so many people and in a ton of cases I'm much more shallow than a ton of men I've met.

Does being attracted to many people make you "shallow"?  I wouldn't have said so.

I was just saying that being attracted all over and feeling conflicted or doing bad things over it isn't just a male thing in general. In MY case, it is since a lot of times that's what I'm looking for. Sex. That really should of been two different sentences now that I think of it, but my ability to actually communicate has always been questionable.

Though that doesn't hurt me right now since the people I'm with understand I'm like that. And it doesn't diminish how I actually FEEL for them in comparison. Whereas everyone else is just for fun.

[Max White]

Can we get back to the topic? I don't really like being the subject of an unannounced psychoanalysis...

So would you say that being analysed makes you uncomfortable? Hmm. Maybe because of traumatic childhood experiences involving clowns and mail boxes? Hmmmm. Must be deeply repressed memories. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Bohandas]

We don't NEED anything! Ultimately even survival is merely something that we want.

I'm pretty sure "need" is a conditional word (ie "You need X in order to Y" or something variant thereof).  It's normally assumed that "need" is in reference to survival ("I need to drink [subtext: in order to survive"]").  You're trying to remove it from any kind of context, and I'm not sure if it's even a meaningful concept then.

That's kind of the point. You can say "You need X in order to Y", but an inquisitive mind would ask "Why do you need Y", and perhaps you could answer "You need Y in order to Z", and  perhaps even "You need Z in order to A", but eventually you will either run up against a point where you can't answer the question of why the end is necessary, or else will get caught up in an invalid web of circular reasoning.

[Max White]

Oh, check out the time stamps!

[Virex]

Can we get back to the topic? I don't really like being the subject of an unannounced psychoanalysis...

So would you say that being analysed makes you uncomfortable? Hmm. Maybe because of traumatic childhood experiences involving clowns and mail boxes? Hmmmm. Must be deeply repressed memories. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Nah, it's just an uncontrollable urge to bash your head in, other than that I'm fine doc.

[Girlinhat]

It's ok Virex!  It's OK!  ...the healing can begin <3

[Max White]

Nah, it's just an uncontrollable urge to bash your head in, other than that I'm fine doc.

Don't worry, if I were a doctor I fix myself up afterwards. 
But seriously, mental health services are so fucking degrading to your metal health, ironically enough.

[Bauglir]

We don't NEED anything! Ultimately even survival is merely something that we want.

I'm pretty sure "need" is a conditional word (ie "You need X in order to Y" or something variant thereof).  It's normally assumed that "need" is in reference to survival ("I need to drink [subtext: in order to survive"]").  You're trying to remove it from any kind of context, and I'm not sure if it's even a meaningful concept then.

That's kind of the point. You can say "You need X in order to Y", but an inquisitive mind would ask "Why do you need Y", and perhaps you could answer "You need Y in order to Z", and  perhaps even "You need Z in order to A", but eventually you will either run up against a point where you can't answer the question of why the end is necessary, or else will get caught up in an invalid web of circular reasoning.

What if my response is "Because I have arbitrarily decided that is a good aim, since there's nothing inherent to reality to contradict me."?

And now we're talking about philosophy, and I am very impressed that we've got here from sex. Usually one arrives at sex from literally any other topic, and once there the topic is forever locked into juvenile wisecracks. Well done at reversing the trend!

[Virex]

Nah, it's just an uncontrollable urge to bash your head in, other than that I'm fine doc.

Don't worry, if I were a doctor I fix myself up afterwards. 
But seriously, mental health services are so fucking degrading to your metal health, ironically enough.

Reminds me of the joke my dad used to make: Don't worry, I'm a doctor, I can patch you up (he has a PhD in physics)...


Anyway, I guess that for an explanation of why you're doing something an internally coherent and sufficiently complex system of reasons would do just fine, because whatever way you're going to turn it, you'll run into the demiurg* problem one way or another.


*Also known as "the unmovable mover", the first one to set things into motion, nothing before it caused it to be.

[MaximumZero]

I may have missed this earlier (reading comprehension = shit when I have a cold most of the time,) but what about people who actually do separate emotion from physicality? For me, at least, a lot of my...former promiscuity...was urge-control. Somewhat like maintenance. I would just go out and find someone else who wanted maintenance, and we'd kill our urges together, and then never see one another again. No emotion like love or lust or anything, really, just relief. I wouldn't even necessarily be attracted to the person, or them to me, we were just both willing. It was really no different than going out to get something to eat, except that I would have had to cook too, because no money changed hands for the satisfaction of hunger. I don't particularly see anything wrong with that situation either, so long as everyone was consenting and careful, but that may be taking it a bit far for some people.

[Vector]

I'd have no problems with that, if I were the sort.

[Max White]

Nope, no separation between the physical act or the emotional response for me. Sex is the most fun way of saying I love you.

[jc6036]

And thus we come back around to "WE MUST MAKE BABIES" in ones subconcious, but one logical mind using contraceptives >_> It's all in the chemicals baby, all in the chemicals.

[G-Flex]

I may have missed this earlier (reading comprehension = shit when I have a cold most of the time,) but what about people who actually do separate emotion from physicality?

How exactly do we define "emotion"? Which emotions count as "emotion" and which don't? Does physical/sexual pleasure not constitute an emotional state?



... You know, I just realized basically this entire thread is incompatible with the forum guidelines. I'm kind of surprised it's lasting this long.

And thus we come back around to "WE MUST MAKE BABIES" in ones subconcious, but one logical mind using contraceptives >_> It's all in the chemicals baby, all in the chemicals.

All in the chemicals? So is literally everything you are. You're a physical system composed of chemicals arranged into some particular state. This is no more or less true of sexuality than it is of anything else people think or do.

[Max White]

And thus we come back around to "WE MUST MAKE BABIES" in ones subconcious, but one logical mind using contraceptives >_> It's all in the chemicals baby, all in the chemicals.

Everything is all in the chemicals. Every time you eat, sleep and breath, chemicals, so why trivialise it? What is wrong with it being chemicals, do you know of anything more?