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[Kogut]

As nobody know about impact of attributes on quality of products, I started ☼science☼.

0) Skills

"Higher skills allows dwarves to accomplish tasks more quickly, but also more effectively (for example mining and crafting). Using a skill will grant experience in that skill, allowing the dwarf to reach higher skill levels. " - wiki

I want to check influence of skills, to compare it with impact of attributes

0a) experience
"Most skills give 30 XP per use, smoothing, engraving and mining give 10 XP per use, and military skills are variable, with more XP gained from real combat than from training. " - wiki

Spoiler: Full list of skills (click to show/hide)

   
    Miner - 10 XP, according to DT
    Bowyer - 60 XP, according to DT (0 XP, according to DT)
    Carpenter - 60 XP, according to DT
    Wood cutter
    Engraver
    Mason
    Ambusher
    Animal caretaker
    Animal dissector
    Animal trainer
    Trapper
    Bone doctor
    Crutch-walker
    Diagnostician
    Surgeon
    Suturer
    Wound dresser
    Beekeeper
    Brewer
    Butcher
    Cheese maker
    Cook
    Dyer
    Grower
    Herbalist
    Lye maker
    Milker
    Miller
    Potash maker
    Presser
    Shearer
    Soaper
    Spinner
    Tanner
    Thresher
    Wood burner
    Fish cleaner
    Fish dissector
    Fisherdwarf
    Armorsmith
    Furnace operator
    Metal crafter
    Metalsmith
    Weaponsmith
    Gem cutter
    Gem setter
    Bone carver
    Clothier
    Glassmaker
    Glazer
    Leatherworker
    Potter
    Stone crafter
    Strand extractor
    Wax worker
    Weaver
    Wood crafter
    Mechanic
    Pump operator
    Siege engineer
    Siege operator
    Knapper
    Swimmer
    Building designer - 30

Social:

    Appraiser
    Organizer
    Record keeper
    Comedian
    Conversationalist
    Flatterer
    Intimidator
    Judge of intent
    Liar
    Negotiator
    Persuader
    Concentration
    Consoler
    Leader
    Observer
    Pacifier
    Student
    Teacher

Military: skipped

First ☼SCIENCE☼ results: wiki and/or dwarf therapist are wrong (bowyer, carpenter)! Further ☼SCIENCE☼ is planned.

[Forumite]

This is hardly masterwork science.

Weird about bowyer though.

[Wannazzaki]

It will allow dedicated individuals to produce the most effective, efficient fort once the arcane secrets of training Marksdorfs is figured the fuck out.

[Kogut]

Weird about bowyer though.

Reboot of DF and DT showed that single crossbow (bone or wood) results in 60xp gain, maybe it was good, old "user is stupid" problem.

[Kogut]

This is hardly masterwork science.

Is is ☼ as "How to make 162 masterwork beds on scorching embark", not as "magma failing from the sky" or "10% more FPS".

[Forumite]

This is hardly masterwork science.

Is is ☼ as "How to make 162 masterwork beds on scorching embark", not as "magma failing from the sky" or "10% more FPS".

Yes, it has potential, Iīm interested in the final results, but right now itīs the stats for 3 jobs, one which was wrong to begin with.

[Kogut]

This is hardly masterwork science.

Is is ☼ as "How to make 162 masterwork beds on scorching embark", not as "magma failing from the sky" or "10% more FPS".

Yes, it has potential, Iīm interested in the final results, but right now itīs the stats for 3 jobs, one which was wrong to begin with.

It is only start 

New data:

*Building designer
**Trade Depot - 30
**Road (26x26 tiles) - 30
*Mason
**Wall - 0
**Trade Depot - 18 (removal - 0)
**Road (26x26 tiles) - 468 [18 per stone used during construction] (removal - 0)
*Carpenter
**Wall - 0
**Trade Depot - 6 (removal - 0)
**Road (1x1 tiles) - 6 [6 per log used during construction] (removal - 0)
**Road (26x26 tiles) - 156 [6 per log used during construction] (removal - 0)

Therefore it is possible to train mason/carpenter without wasting stone/wood, (make Trade Depot, remove Trade Depot) but it will be really slow.

[Forumite]

Are you 100% sure that building walls and removing them doesnīt give experience?

[Kogut]

Are you 100% sure that building walls and removing them doesnīt give experience?

In tested version, in my world, this wall resulted in no experience gain detected by me, using dwarf therapist. Maybe it is possible that I (again) failed somehow, maybe only certain walls results in experience? But you can check this (tooltip over skill in DT reveals experience).

[Quietust]

Building and removing constructions has never granted experience - only buildings requiring architecture grant experience during construction, and even then, the experience granted is proportional to the amount of time spent building (and it's gained 1 point at a time, so if you suspend construction halfway and let someone else finish, each dwarf will get half of the experience).

[itaibn]

Therefore it is possible to train mason/carpenter without wasting stone/wood, (make Trade Depot, remove Trade Depot) but it will be really slow.

Suggested improvement: construct lots of floor-hatches/bed/other-one-tile-buildings (requiring a an initial investment of wood/stone), dig out a large area, and then repeatably build and remove them in the large area. Check if floors give experience; if they do, you don't need the construction step.

[Kogut]

Therefore it is possible to train mason/carpenter without wasting stone/wood, (make Trade Depot, remove Trade Depot) but it will be really slow.

Suggested improvement: construct lots of floor-hatches/bed/other-one-tile-buildings (requiring a an initial investment of wood/stone), dig out a large area, and then repeatably build and remove them in the large area. Check if floors give experience; if they do, you don't need the construction step.

Building and removing constructions has never granted experience - only buildings requiring architecture grant experience during construction, and even then, the experience granted is proportional to the amount of time spent building (and it's gained 1 point at a time, so if you suspend construction halfway and let someone else finish, each dwarf will get half of the experience).

Buildings requiring architecture

    Archery targets
    Bridges
    Furnaces
    Paved roads
    Screw pumps
    Supports
    Trade depots
    Water wheels
    Wells
    Windmills

from http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php/DF2010:Building_designer#Using_architecture

[peskyninja]

This is hardly masterwork science.

Is is ☼ as "How to make 162 masterwork beds on scorching embark", not as "magma failing from the sky" or "10% more FPS".

Yes, it has potential, Iīm interested in the final results, but right now itīs the stats for 3 jobs, one which was wrong to begin with.

It is only start 

New data:

*Building designer
**Trade Depot - 30
**Road (26x26 tiles) - 30
*Mason
**Wall - 0
**Trade Depot - 18 (removal - 0)
**Road (26x26 tiles) - 468 [18 per stone used during construction] (removal - 0)
*Carpenter
**Wall - 0
**Trade Depot - 6 (removal - 0)
**Road (1x1 tiles) - 6 [6 per log used during construction] (removal - 0)
**Road (26x26 tiles) - 156 [6 per log used during construction] (removal - 0)

Therefore it is possible to train mason/carpenter without wasting stone/wood, (make Trade Depot, remove Trade Depot) but it will be really slow.

You forgot bridges.

[Girlinhat]

This looks messy at best.  I'm demoting this to -Science- until you get your numbers straight and your procedure pegged down and documented.

[Vehudur]

This looks messy at best.  I'm demoting this to -Science- until you get your numbers straight and your procedure pegged down and documented.

I have to agree here.

This is really sloppy.